Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

@parados,

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Sorry dear heart but I still find it amazing that his own family could be off by four inches on Trayvon height

parados wrote:

Except you don't have a quote from his own family. You have a statement about a newspaper quote
that purports to say something said by his family. You have 3rd or 4th hand what his family supposed said. Hardly a reputable source.

I guess this post stands testament to Parados's unwaivering faith in government;
that UNQUESTIONABLY a statistic cannot be rong if it issued from a GOVERNMENT! RIGHT, Mr. Parados ?

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

in your working days youd be the first to yell "hearsay"

Ya still have been avoiding my comment that, were both guys armed, who'd you have rooted for?

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@BillRM,

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The only one guilty that night of a crime is the one that was killed.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Sorry dear heart but I still find it amazing that his own family could be off by four inches on Trayvon height

In any case,at 5 '11 or 6' he was still a man in body if not in mind or judgment and fully capable
of causing severe harm or death with only the hard sidewalk as a weapon.

He was not a "kid' in that regards.

U know, even if a person is attacked by someone who really IS a kid,
he still has the right to defend himself; e.g., in 1993 when those 2 English boys kidnapped & tortured a very young boy,
and had him cut in half by a passing RR train, the victim had as much right as anyone to FIGHT BACK, as well as possible, NOT
that he legally nor morally shud have restrained himself because his murderers were only ten years old.

Because the murderers did not have guns immediately at hand,
thay were satisfied to use a RR train as well as other odd objects to torture and to murder their victim,
who (the same as Zimmy) had the RIGHT to defend himself, regardless of the predator's age.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Well David parados had a point as the media have a history of being wrong and in some cases even lying as in the 911 tapes editing over the information given to the public in the Zimmerman/Trayvon matter.

Some of the news stories are still running a picture of Trayvon in his early teens for example.

The wikipedia article had a link to the information that the family was claiming he was 6' 3" tall so if anyone would care to do so they can find the papers that the claimed came from.

Still confirming all side issues facts seem a little must to be asking for and whether he was 6' 3'' or 5' 11" he still had reached the age where he had the full power of an adult male at his command.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Well David parados had a point as the media have a history of being wrong
and in some cases even lying as in the 911 tapes editing over the information
given to the public in the Zimmerman/Trayvon matter.

Some of the news stories are still running a picture of Trayvon in his early teens for example.

The wikipedia article had a link to the information that the family was claiming he was 6' 3" tall
so if anyone would care to do so they can find the papers that the claimed came from.

Still confirming all side issues facts seem a little must to be asking for and whether he was 6' 3'' or 5' 11"
he still had reached the age where he had the full power of an adult male at his command.

If someone gets attacked by A MIDGET,
the victim still has as much right to defend himself
and it is always better to be tried by 12 men
than carried by 6.

David

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

in your working days youd be the first to yell "hearsay"

NO. That objection is applicable only to a court of law.
It addresses the fact that the putative utterer of an assertion
is NOT "here to say it" (as my Evidence Professor very memorably expressed it) and therefore, he cannot be exposed to cross-examination.
The heart of the "HEARSAY" objection is unfair immunity from cross-examination, such that the 2nd hand testimony is not reliable.
U can 't ask if he was joking, nor inebriated, nor if he spoke in fear (or at ALL) whether he was heard ACCURATELY
whether he was paid to say it & many other questionable circumstances.

farmerman wrote:

Ya still have been avoiding my comment that, were both guys armed, who'd you have rooted for?

I was not avoiding your comment, Farmer.
I thawt that u knew that I 'd cheer for the victim.
Have I ever posted to the contrary??
I champion FIGHTING BACK.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

In clear cases of self defense such as the one this thread is dealing with there should not be a need to be try by 12 men at all David.

You are right however unless Zimmerman had been willing to take all the damage perhaps even resulting in his death that Trayvon was handling out until the police show up or Trayvon got bore/tired he did not have must of a choice but to shot the "kid".

One can only wonder if Firefly was having her head driven into the sidewalk by Trayvon and had the means to end it whether her actions would had been different from what your or mine or my wife would be in shotting her attacker.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

One can only wonder if Firefly was having her head driven into the sidewalk by Trayvon and had the means to end it whether her actions would had been different from what your or mine or my wife would be in shotting her attacker.

We shud NOT have a jurisprudential state of affairs
wherein the victim tolerates this abuse in a state of terror of criminal nor of civil litigation.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I see that instead of showing how or why my statement was wrong, you have decided to introduce something completely unrelated that you wish to use to make me look stupid. Never mind that your conclusion isn't logical or even close to being intelligent.

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Take note of the following police statement in the below story of an naked unarmed man being kill by the police.

Sergeant Altarr Williams, supervisor of Miami police’s Homicide Unit, said a man doesn’t have to be armed to be dangerous.

“There are other ways to injure people,’’ Williams said. “Some people know martial arts, others are very strong and can kill you with their hands.’’

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html

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One man was shot to death by Miami police, and another man is fighting for his life after he was attacked and his face allegedly half eatten, by a naked man on the MacArthur Causeway off ramp, police said.

The bloodshed began about 2 p.m. when a series of gunshots were heard on the ramp, which is along NE 13th Street, just south of The Miami Herald building. Witnesses said a woman saw the two men fighting and flagged down a police officer who was in the area.

The officer, who has not been identified, approached and saw that the naked man was actually chewing the other man’s head, according to witnesses. The officer ordered the naked man to back away, and when he continued the assault, the officer shot him. The attacker continued to eat the man, despite being shot, forcing the officer to continue firing. Witnesses said they heard at least a half dozen shots.

Miami police were on the scene, which was just south of The Miami Herald building on Biscayne Boulevard. The naked man who was killed lay face down on the pedestrian walkway just below the newspaper’s two-story parking garage. Police requested The Herald’s video surveillance tapes.
The other man was transported to the hospital with critical injuries, according to police. Their identities were not released.
The incident, which came as crowds descended upon South Beach for the annual Urban Beach Week hip-hop festival, snarled traffic on the causeway for several hours.

In a text message, Javier Ortiz, spokesman for Miami police’s Fraternal Order of Police, said the officer who fired the fatal shots was “a hero.”

“Based on the information provided, our Miami police officer is a hero and saved a life,’’ he said.

Sergeant Altarr Williams, supervisor of Miami police’s Homicide Unit, said a man doesn’t have to be armed to be dangerous.

“There are other ways to injure people,’’ Williams said. “Some people know martial arts, others are very strong and can kill you with their hands.’’

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpy

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@BillRM,

Right, BillRM, just look at how horribly and savagely beaten Zimmerman looks. Why, he's all chewed up. Laughing

It's a crystal clear case of self defense. Of course he was justified in using deadly force to defend himself. Anyone can see that from this photo of him taken right after after he killed an unarmed kid. Laughing

Would you expect him to fight with his bare hands? And let his bullets go waste? Rolling Eyes

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In clear cases of self defense such as the one this thread is dealing with there should not be a need to be try by 12 men at all

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Why should Zimmerman have bothered to wait for the cops to show up? Who needs a legal system? Just use your gun and claim self defense. Rolling Eyes

Similar thinking would certainly solve the problem of date rape, wouldn't it BillRM. She can shoot the unarmed guy who won't take, "No" for an answer, and then you just take the woman's word for it that it was self defense and that deadly force was absolutely necessary--it would be an affront to even have her tried by a jury. If you're a shooter, you can always be believed. Rolling Eyes

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@BillRM,

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“Based on the information provided, our Miami police officer is a hero and saved a life,’’ he said.

A "hero" - some ******* hero. He shoots an unarmed man, one who was likely to have serious mental problems. It takes this hero of a cop six shots. Ya just might wanna send him back to cop school.

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@JTT,

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“Based on the information provided, our Miami police officer is a hero and saved a life,’’ he said.

JTT wrote:

A "hero" - some ******* hero.
He shoots an unarmed man, one who was likely to have serious mental problems.

I 'm very pleased that a danger with those SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS is no longer a threat to the decent people.
Let 's celebrate! The police officer was a GOOD HERO!
I bet the victim & his family will raise a toast to HIM!

JTT will celebrate the face-eater.
(I suspect that he secretly admires him & wishes
that he were brave enuf to eat some face, right J ? Admit it. Liberals admire evil.)

JTT wrote:

It takes this hero of a cop six shots.

Its best to be SURE.
Don 't be stingy.

JTT wrote:

Ya just might wanna send him back to cop school.

YES. He can teach marksmanship.

David

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

We HAVE "SANE GUN LAWS NOW": the 2nd Amendment and Florida's Stand Your Ground Law. HOORAY!!!

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Go change your Depends, Om.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

Go change your Depends, Om.

Go stick your head in the garbage, J.

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@OmSigDAVID,

That's pretty original for a mensan, Sig. Ya don't wanna mentally overdo yourself.

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@firefly,

Firefly dear, one blow repeat one to the back of the head can cause death and would not show at all in such a picture and there is little or no question Trayvon was using the sidewalk to cause blows to Zimmerman head as the pictures you love to show support Zimmerman statement concerning the matter.

Next a picture taken right after the conflict would not show black and blue marks that take time to occur. Of course you know that fact and are just being your dishonest self.

The next day by his doctor report he had two black eyes and a broken nose and wounds on the back of his head.

There is little question Trayvon was doing his very very best that night to severely harm or kill Zimmerman.

But I am sure you would never shoot anyone that was pounding alway at you and driving your head into the sidewalk if you happen to be arm.

After all what is a broken nose and and blacks eyes and possible brain damage and more harm to come over the next minutes.

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@BillRM,

So attempting to harm or kill someone is a crime. (Except when you are attempting to harm and kill someone.)

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