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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 02:35 pm
To get back to the ZImmerman/Trayvon case it is coming out that Trayvon had not a mark on him cause by Zimmerman before the gun shot however Zimmerman was being severely beaten by the innocent young man coming back from the 7/11.

Now how long before this silly and political case of murder going to go on before the courts throw it out?

I had taken note that the Media is still using a picture of Trayvon at 14 or so not the very large and powerful "man" he had turn into in three years.

Too bad that Trayvon parents did not do a better job of raising him so that the very idea of attacking a stranger would be foreign to him as it was to me as a 17 years old young man.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 02:39 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

You were trying to show how unsafe it is to own a gun and I proved that isn't the case.

No, you completely missed the point I was trying to make, and now you're trying to cover up for it.

I did not say it is "unsafe to own a gun," on some absolute scale.

I said that owning a gun does not make you safer, and, in fact, owning a gun makes you less safe.

Now, owning a gun does make people feel safer, but the data contradicts that impression.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 02:40 pm
@Baldimo,
Well, it would be nice for you if I were making that argument.

I'm not, though.
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failures art
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 03:42 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Sorry firearm.

Don't apologize to the handgun, apologize to the gunshot victim.

A
R
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 05:57 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Don't apologize to the handgun, apologize to the gunshot victim.


In the case of this thread the only victim seems to had been Zimmerman and he was beaten not shot.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 08:10 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Mr. Zimmerman has said that he acted in self-defense the night of the shooting. But with no eyewitness who saw the entire encounter, and with Mr. Martin dead, there has been much debate about whether the evidence supported such a claim.

The documents also stated that after a detailed account of the investigation drawn up on March 13, which included witness interviews and re-interviews, Investigator Christopher F. Serino concluded that “there exists probable cause” to charge Mr. Zimmerman with manslaughter.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/us/new-details-are-released-in-shooting-of-teenager.html?hp
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 08:17 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
The documents also stated that after a detailed account of the investigation drawn up on March 13, which included witness interviews and re-interviews, Investigator Christopher F. Serino concluded that “there exists probable cause” to charge Mr. Zimmerman with manslaughter.


Allow me to fix the little usage error in that:

Quote:
The documents also stated that after a detailed account of the investigation drawn up on March 13, which included witness interviews and re-interviews, Investigator and soon-to-be hamburger flipper Christopher F. Serino concluded that “there exists probable cause” to charge Mr. Zimmerman with manslaughter.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 08:20 pm
More on the story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146070/Trayvon-Martin-killing-Teenager-drugs-autopsy-finds.html?ICO=most_read_module

Quote:
Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system the night he was shot, autopsy finds
Traces of THC, found in marijuana, discovered in blood and urine...


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146070/Trayvon-Martin-killing-Teenager-drugs-autopsy-finds.html#ixzz1vBSXrp00


Quote:
An autopsy report reviewed by NBC News claimed Martin also had broken skin on his left ring ringer below the knuckle.

The report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, follows a separate medical examination on Zimmerman which found he had black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head a day after the fatal shooting on February 26.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146070/Trayvon-Martin-killing-Teenager-drugs-autopsy-finds.html#ixzz1vBSnsUlG
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 08:21 pm
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/18/article-2146070-13263C46000005DC-655_634x466.jpg
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 08:31 pm
@Baldimo,
I love your use of statistics.
The likelihood of someone that breaths oxygen dying is 100%. But that really doesn't make your argument about cars BS, it only shows that cars have nothing to do with guns or oxygen.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 08:33 pm
Interesting item on the FR forum:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2885105/posts?page=1
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 08:44 pm
Quote:
A trove of evidence collected for George Zimmerman’s second-degree murder trial was made public Thursday, including the report that shows the lead detective originally wanted to file manslaughter charges because he said the whole encounter could have been avoided with better judgment and a little dialogue.

But the cache of forensic evidence, autopsy reports, documents, audio tapes and police reports also paints a murky portrait of a fight between two people that left a teenager dead, a man facing life in prison, and a community shaken.
Some witnesses contradicted each other and others were flat wrong. Some heard two shots, when only one was fired. Some saw the man with a red shirt — Zimmerman — on top during the fight, and still more were convinced that it was 17-year-old Trayvon Martin who cried for help.

Ultimately, records show the Sanford Police investigator believed Zimmerman was taking a beating from Trayvon and cried for help 14 times in 38 seconds. But witnesses described Zimmerman as nonchalant after the killing, and two people who knew him told police that he was a racist and a bully.

Just a day after the Sanford Police Chief announced that no probable cause existed to make an arrest, the lead detective swore otherwise.
“The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and waited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog(sic) in an effort to dispel each party’s concern,” lead investigator Chris Serino swore in March 13 statement. “There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.”

His conclusion: probable cause for manslaughter.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/17/v-fullstory/2804442/law-officers-set-to-release-evidence.html#storylink=cpy
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 08:54 pm
@firefly,
Interesting case. (cough)
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 10:17 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
“There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.”


Any good cop will look for people who fit the profile of those who ate committing crimes. In this neighborhood that was young black men who did not live there. Martin was young, black, male, and so far as Zimmerman knew did not live in the neighborhood. It was prudent for Zimmerman to look for evidence that Martin was one of the bad guys, an investigation that we have no indication ever reached the point were Zimmerman could reasonably conclude that Martin was not a bad guy. The only thing that I ever thought Zimmerman did wrong was to patrol on citizen watch with a gun, though it was his right to do so, but now that I know that he was headed to Target and that it was only chance and his keen eye that picked out a likely bad guy I am of the opinion that we should be giving Zimmerman a medal for being a good citizen.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 11:59 pm
His "keen eye" as you call it, picked out a kid who was not in fact doing anything wrong, and killed him. And you want to give him a medal for being a "good citizen" for it? That's sick.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 12:00 am
re Hawkeye:
His "keen eye" as you call it, picked out a kid who was not in fact doing anything wrong, and killed him. And you want to give him a medal for being a "good citizen" for it? That's sick.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 12:43 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Not as much faith as I have in our justice system.
Will your "justice system" successfully rob your nabors of their guns ??????

If so, HOW ?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 12:56 am
@parados,
DAVID wrote:
In this particular case, by a Constitutional amendment.
I thawt I 'd made that clear; not clear enuf, I guess.
parados wrote:
So, it wasn't permanent then if it was eliminated.
By ending it,
it was changed,
converted and altered into a state of non-permanence.
(Do u see how that works??)




parados wrote:
I thought I made it clear that something can't be permanent if it can be eliminated.
Permanence can be changed into non-permanence; u can freely argue (if u wanna)
that it was not permanent, in the first place. I care not.


parados wrote:
Or perhaps you use definitions the way you use spelling. You change them to fit your mood.
I ofen remain willing to discuss definitions.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 01:02 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
re Hawkeye:
His "keen eye" as you call it, picked out a kid who was not in fact doing anything wrong, and killed him.
And you want to give him a medal for being a "good citizen" for it? That's sick.
Yeah! I wanna give him a medal, too! A nice GOLD one, as a good citizenship award.

The rest of us r safer now, because of the worthy efforts of Mr. Z, a truely good fellow!





David
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 02:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
My neighbours don't have guns, there aren't any to 'rob.' I'm happy about that, maybe you can tell me how I could go about obtaining an illegal weapon as you're such an expert on the availability of guns over here.
 

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