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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 02:41 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
My neighbours don't have guns,
U know this from having searched each cubic inch of their property
and other places that r suitable for concealment????


izzythepush wrote:
there aren't any to 'rob.' I'm happy about that,
Your nabors lack the ingenuity
to defeat your government and to provide for their emergency defenses ???????



izzythepush wrote:
maybe you can tell me how I could go about obtaining an illegal weapon
as you're such an expert on the availability of guns over here.
Yes: MAKE some, (as thay used to do, in centuries b4 electricity was available)
or find some illegal gunsmiths or swordsmiths.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:05 am
@OmSigDAVID,
We don't need to defeat the government, we have something called elections over here, perhaps you should try it.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:11 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
My neighbours don't have guns, there aren't any to 'rob.' I'm happy about that, maybe you can tell me how I could go about obtaining an illegal weapon as you're such an expert on the availability of guns over here.


The most obvious place in Europe to go for any sort of illegal stuff is Kosovo, that is, the Serbian province which NATO and the KKKlintons stole and handed over to AQ-Europe. Usually people go there for drugs and underage girls but I'm sure you could buy guns there as well.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:14 am
@gungasnake,
I don't live in Kosovo. Anything would have to be brought back through customs.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:14 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
We don't need to defeat the government, we have something called elections over here, perhaps you should try it.


Doesn't seem to have protected you from much recently. Try asking yourself what might have happened to some dickhead like George Soros trying to do bear raids on the English currency when Churchill was PM.....
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:15 am
@gungasnake,
Try asking yourself how Lincoln may have felt about the nuclear bomb.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:18 am
Honest people in Europe wanting to arm themselves on a quasi organized basis is another question. For that I'd recommend Russia and Izhevsk as nearest and best:

http://rusarm.ru/

izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:19 am
@gungasnake,
I'm not surprised you prefer the dictatorial government of Putin to a democracy.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:27 am
@izzythepush,
WW-II in the Pacific was over before those two bombs were dropped. What the atom bomb did was provide leverage against the CCCP which would not have existed otherwise. All of Europe likely would be under governments like that of North Korea today without nuclear weaponry. Bad government can cause every bit as much grief as losing major wars and in fact a quick look at Hiroshima and Detroit today would convince many that Japan must have won WW-II.

Hindsight and Monday Morning quarterbacking are wonderful of course. In hindsight, Truman could have dropped the two bombs on Mecca and Medina and solved two problems at the same time and the demonstration would have been closer to Russian observers.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 04:36 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I'm not surprised you prefer the dictatorial government of Putin to a democracy.


No rational way to get that from anything I've posted here... Nonetheless Putin quite certainly is the best ruler Russia has had since Tsar Peter and certainly better than anything England has had recently. Firearm ownership is legal in Russia and Putin has made it a matter of state policy to protect Christians from oppression in the world and some 200 Orthodox churches are being built in and around Moscow as we speak, which is on top of the magnificent Храм Христа Спасителя which the commies demolished in the early 1920s being totally rebuilt:

http://www.fotoalbom.su/fotos2/foto_14030_small.jpg

I mean, to me at least, if the question is choosing a place to live between Russia and England right now, the answer is pretty obvious, Russia's best days are ahead of it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 05:30 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
I mean, to me at least, if the question is choosing a place to live between Russia and England right now, the answer is pretty obvious, Russia's best days are ahead of it.


Good, we don't want someone like you in our fair country.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 06:04 am
@izzythepush,
You don't have to worry about that. I won't even get off the airplane at Heathrow on my way to Germany or Russia.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 06:20 am
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161

New York Daily News:

Quote:
Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge
New evidence suggests Trayvon Martin's killer acted in self-defense


Quote:

Alan Dershowitz again:

A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.

She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.

But none of this was included in any affidavit.

Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin.

A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.

Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)

This is a fact-specific case, in which much turns on what the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt. It must resolve all such doubts in favor of the defendant, because our system of justice insists that it is better for 10 guilty defendants to go free than for even one innocent to be wrongfully convicted.

You wouldn’t know that from listening to Corey, who announced that her jobs was “to do justice for Trayvon Martin” — not for George Zimmerman.

As many see it, her additional job is to prevent riots of the sort that followed the acquittal of the policemen who beat Rodney King.

Indeed, Mansfield Frazier, a columnist for the Daily Beast, has suggested that it is the responsibility of the legal system to “avert a large scale racial calamity.” He has urged Zimmerman’s defense lawyer to become a “savior” by brokering a deal to plead his client guilty to a crime that “has him back on the streets within this decade.”

But it is not the role of a defense lawyer to save the world or the country. His job — his only job — is to get the best result for his client, by all legal and ethical means.

Listen to the way a famous British barrister put it in 1820:

“An advocate, by the sacred duty which he owes his client, knows, in the discharge of that office, but one person in the world, that client and none other . . . Nay, separating even the duties of a patriot from those of an advocate, and casting them, if need be, to the wind, he must go on reckless of the consequences, if his fate it should unhappily be, to involve his country in confusion for his client’s protection.”

The prosecutor’s job is far broader: to do justice to the defendant as well as the alleged victim. As the Supreme Court has said: “The government wins . . . when justice is done.”

Zimmerman’s lawyer is doing his job. It’s about time for the prosecutor to start doing hers.

Dershowitz, a defense attorney, is a professor at Harvard Law School.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161#ixzz1vDtUEdzP
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 06:25 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Good, we don't want someone like you in our fair country.


Again, as long as people like you are running England, it stays on my list of places to avoid. I just can't think of a reason to want to be in a place where people rot in prison for trying to defend themselves in their own homes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 06:40 am
Dershowitz:

Quote:
Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin.

A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 06:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Permanence can be changed into non-permanence; u can freely argue (if u wanna)
that it was not permanent, in the first place. I care not.

I'm not arguing it was permanent. Gunga is. Do you agree with him that the current tax code is permanent?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 07:37 am
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFHY1OIiTe1RCtFNh-DEuc3OSqpUh14Gs3dlMezPQKwkHqFUaRRQ

Cathedral of Christ the Savior, Moscow. Twenty years from now, that building will still be a Christian cathedral; the parliament building in London will probably be a mosque.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 07:41 am
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRddnkslhKWS6F17bs_hvswjEARqw5Jy3QHMsRbIlL1rA5u0-ZUhA

Easter Services, Cathedral of Christ the Savior, Moscow.

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 07:42 am
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3u9eSGSQd0AyosssCz-WLtuTXz7WI5YeodFIhorKMTbVBpsRAew
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2012 07:43 am
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