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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 06:43 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

I can understand and support a call for a full and complete investigation of the Transvon/Zimmerman matter but not a demand for Zimmerman arrested no matter what.

No matter what? No homicide should justify an arrest, "no matter what", as long as the shooter blithely claims, "I was only defending myself"? Rolling Eyes

Well, at least you admit you don't understand the demand to have Zimmerman arrested. And it's because you don't understand that demand, or why it was made, that you can't understand the outrage in the black community over this homicide and the fact that Zimmerman wasn't arrested after the shooting. You really should do more reading, and listening, and less posting, until you do understand it.
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/L/V/4/George-Zimmerman-Stand-Grou.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 06:56 pm
@firefly,
It looks like Bill standing on that ground. Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 10:17 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
I can understand and support a call for a full and complete investigation
of the Transvon/Zimmerman matter but not a demand for Zimmerman arrested no matter what.
firefly wrote:
No matter what? No homicide should justify an arrest, "no matter what", as long as the shooter blithely claims, "I was only defending myself"? Rolling Eyes

Well, at least you admit you don't understand the demand to have Zimmerman arrested. And it's because you don't understand that demand, or why it was made, that you can't understand the outrage in the black community over this homicide and the fact that Zimmerman wasn't arrested after the shooting. You really should do more reading, and listening, and less posting, until you do understand it.
Your position is deeply unAmerican.
The way u 'd have it is that (in order to protect the well being of predators),
IF victims of violence wanna avoid arrest,
then thay shud take their chances and simply LET the predator
HAVE his way by giving yourself into his discretion on-the-job
and "cast your fate to the winds".

That is the filosofy of the liberals. It supports evil.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 10:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
"Un-American?" ROFLMAO How do you come up with such stupid ideas? Is it an ingrained thing from your parents, or do you "learn" it?

Being a good citizen means following the laws.

You're really an attorney? Unbelievable!
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 12:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
That is the filosofy of the liberals. It supports evil.


David David these fools are anything but liberals and they would be at home with Nazis far more then with say the founders of the ACLU for example.

Hell Firefly had even condone Sharpton promoting a small Jewish pogrom at Crown Heights on this thread.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 12:53 am
@BillRM,
If liberals supports evil, why is it that conservatives a) are taking away Planned Parenthood that provides health care to women, b) under-fund our schools, because it costs too much, c) don't tax the rich, because it's a transfer of wealth from the rich to the poor (nothing like a little humility and humanism), d) let our nation's deficit grow while the rich continues to accumulate more riches to leave it for our children and grandchildren to pay, and e) support wars over American citizen's needs.

Now, please identify all the evils of the liberals?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 02:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Un-American?"
Yes.


cicerone imposter wrote:
ROFLMAO
Your laffter is unimportant and uninteresting to me.





cicerone imposter wrote:
How do you come up with such stupid ideas?
My ideas arise from observation n reasoning.





cicerone imposter wrote:
Is it an ingrained thing from your parents, or do you "learn" it?
I learned it.
Both of my parents were Roosevelt liberals; thay voted for him 4 times.
I opposed him, as well as possible. Eventually, I convinced them
that he was bad for America and I convinced them to become conservative Republicans. That took a while, tho.
I enjoyed argument; I still do, IF I respect the mind
of the person with whom I'm arguing.
If not, then its a waste, like arguing with the wind.







cicerone imposter wrote:
Being a good citizen means following the laws.
Each citizen shud exploit the collective
as well and as thoroughly as he possibly CAN.

Remaining alive is important;
Zimmy knew that when he shot Mr. T, as he well deserved.
Being what u call a "good citizen" is not important,
tho I will admit that I do comply with laws, most of the time.

(Let us note, incidentally, that [except children in the very earliest years of life]
it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a law abiding citizen.
Even lawyers and respected judges continually violate all kinds of laws,
without knowing it. I can prove that.)





cicerone imposter wrote:
You're really an attorney? Unbelievable!
U 'd get a kick out of it,
if u knew what else I also did,
after I retired from the practice of law.
Anyway, my clients were thrilled with the results
that I got for them in court. That 's what counts;
(that and taking my fees).





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 03:10 am
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
That is the filosofy of the liberals. It supports evil.
BillRM wrote:
David David these fools are anything but liberals
and they would be at home with Nazis
far more then with say the founders of the ACLU for example.
Well, liberal in the sense of turning away, being deviant,
from the principles of Original Americanism.
The Founders supported ordinary self defense.
(There were NO police anywhere in the USA until the 18OOs.)
A letter survives from Thomas Jefferson
to his 12 year old nephew, advising him
to always take his gun with him, when he goes out for a walk.



BillRM wrote:
Hell Firefly had even condone Sharpton promoting
a small Jewish pogrom at Crown Heights on this thread.
FOR THE RECORD:
I don 't believe that Firefly is a nazi.





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 04:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
FOR THE RECORD:
I don 't believe that Firefly is a nazi.


For the record Firefly believe in an all powerful state and have no problem for example having ten percents of all black males behind bars at any given time many of them lock up for non violence crimes or having a man who she stated on this thread that she think highly of supporting and promoting an three days attack on a 20,000 Jewish community by a surrounding 180,000 black community.

At the same time the black mayor of New York was doing his best to calm down the situation Sharpton was marching with the no justice no peace signs and making anti Jewish remarks.

She is not a member of the Nazis party as far as I am aware of but her mind set of the proper relationship between the state and the population is the same in my opinion.

However instead of just Jews as a target for being the enemy of the state she seems to target all males and wish tight control on the males by the state similar to the controls placed on Jews in the 1930s by the Nazis.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 05:03 am
Bill: Please delineate which of us are Nazis.

Joe(go ahead, let's see your list)Nation
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 05:36 am
@Joe Nation,
You want him to name names?
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 05:49 am
I us't'a be a Nazi, 'til they found out i was circumcized . . .
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 05:54 am
@dlowan,
I should give a similar list of names to the Al Sharpton list of white police officers and a state prosecutor and others whites who he claimed gang rape of a young 15 black year old girl that in fact never happen?

It is not needed as the postings that I had drawn my conclusions from are in the public domain for all to read and draw their own conclusions from.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 07:02 am
@Robert Gentel,
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 07:36 am
@dlowan,
Quote:
BillRM wrote:
David David these fools are anything but liberals
and they would be at home with Nazis
far more then with say the founders of the ACLU for example.


I would like Bill to state for the record who amongst us he is pointing to when he says "these fools" and "they would be at home with Nazis.... ."

Or he can withdraw his slur and apologize.

Joe(Man up, Bill.)Nation
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 07:41 am
@Joe Nation,
hey joe, at least he got all his verbs turned the same way...
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 07:55 am
@Joe Nation,
Quote:
would like Bill to state for the record who amongst us he is pointing to when he says "these fools" and "they would be at home with Nazis.... ."

Or he can withdraw his slur and apologize.

Joe(Man up, Bill.)Nation


Sorry but Firefly hero Al Sharpton never apologize for charging innocents men for the crime of gang rape and that even after a civil jury found him guilty of libel in the matter so why the hell would I feel the need to created a list of posters that I consider fools?

I have no need moral or otherwise to do a list or apologize for expressing an opinion.

So please placed your demands where the moon do not shine.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 08:12 am
@BillRM,
So, let me get this straight, because Sharpton was unapologetic in 1987, you've decided you want to be just like him now.
Okay by me.

He was wrong in 1987 and an asshole.
You are wrong now.

Joe(fill in the rest)Nation
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 08:44 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Hell Firefly had even condone Sharpton promoting a small Jewish pogrom at Crown Heights on this thread.

Quote:
However instead of just Jews as a target for being the enemy of the state she seems to target all males and wish tight control on the males by the state similar to the controls placed on Jews in the 1930s by the Nazis.

Laughing Right, sure. And I bet you believe in the Easter Bunny too Laughing ROFL Laughing I don't have to point out how crazy you are, you do a good job of that all by yourself.

You've already said you don't understand the demand from the black community to have Zimmerman arrested, nor have you addressed the fact that the lead investigator for the police department recommended that he be arrested and charged the night of the shooting. So, if you don't understand what the outrage was about, you certainly wouldn't understand what Sharpton was saying about this particular case, in which the shooting death of a black teen received insufficient examination and investigation by the criminal justice system.

You also completely distorted what Sharpton was saying in the video you posted and erroneously concluded he was threatening riots and violence if Zimmerman was not arrested--which he has never done, and which he was definitely not doing in this case. He organized demonstrations and marches, the lawful alternative to riots and violence as methods of channeling and expressing the anger and outrage regarding the insufficiently investigated killing of Trayvon Martin. But, as you've admitted, you're too dim to even understand what these demands by the black community were all about.

You further claimed Sharpton was using "code words" to threaten violence and rioting. "Code words"? The man said there would be continued organized peaceful protests, but you heard "code words" for a call to rioting. You are a paranoid nutcase. No wonder you have a mini-arsenal in your home to "protect" yourself. You're so paranoid you distort things and imagine threats of violence which have not been made, just as you continually distort and attribute to me comments I've never made. Your fantasies significantly affect your perception of reality.

And you are like Zimmerman in that regard--he saw a teenage kid, just walking and talking on his cell phone, and he distorted and misinterpreted the situation because he saw what he wanted to see, and not the reality of what was actually going on. it was only in Zimmerman's mind that that kid, who wasn't doing anything that was suggestive of any criminal activity, represented a threat. He saw a black kid in a hoodie and his mind-set and fantasies took over--he misinterpreted totally innocuous behavior--and the end result was tragic. But you can't understand that either. You illogically assert that the fact Zimmerman wound up killing the kid is a validation of his initial erroneous assessment of the teen's behavior--which is just absurd circular reasoning.

It's obviously impossible for you to see, or even consider, that Zimmerman more likely provoked a totally needless tragedy because of his initial misinterpretation of what he saw--he didn't see a crime in progress, or someone planning a crime, all he actually saw was a teen walking around and talking on a cell phone, and Zimmerman's mind-set did the rest. Maybe a black kid in a hoodie was a "code symbol" for menace and violence and crime for him, just as you hear "code words" for rioting when black people talk about peaceful demonstrations and civil protests. It's scary that people, like you and Zimmerman, who are so prone to distort things, also carry guns.

It's too bad that you have nothing relevant, or interesting, or insightful, or intelligent to say about the topic of this thread, and you're reduced to dragging in all sorts of unrelated issues, or non issues, just to have something to say. But, that's always the case with you, isn't it?
It's also a pity you always wind up trashing threads because you can't hold your own in an adult discussion that encompasses any point of view beyond your own narrow personal fixations...those fixations which you repeat over and over and over and over.... It must be very frustrating to you that you can't grasp or understand anything that has any complexity.




BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2012 09:21 am
@firefly,
Sorry dear no justice no peace had been a call or threat of race riots since the 60s and I been in communities when race riots had occur five times in my life and a numbers of times been close enough to smell the smoke of burning buildings.

Hell once I was near enough to hear the gun fire between the police and the rioters and I needed to leave my work site at a train station in North Asbury Park as for some reason the police and the rioters was using the railroad tracks as a dividing line between them.

I know you just love to spin and spin but Sharpton knew what those words means as well as I do and as well as the crowd that was listening to his words.

As far as Trayvon peacefully walking home if that was true there was nothing stopping him from reaching that home as nothing force him to get into a fight with Zimmerman where he was trying to pound Zimmerman head into the sidewalk at one point.

Somehow I can not picture myself getting into such a conflict at the age of 17 walking home or at the age of 63 walking home or anytime in my life in between due to a crime watch volunteer following me.



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