Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

@DrewDad,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

The principle is the natural rights of the innocent
to fight back against the impositions of the guilty.

DrewDad wrote:

Yes. But most people I've been in contact
with apply that statement to Trayvon's actions.

I do too; in defense from those actions.

David

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

I think you mean to say, "the NRA has been able to use Obama
as a boogeyman to scare people into buying firearms."

Guns r health insurance.
That is like saying that the NRA scared people into buying health insurance.
Too many citizens don t have enuf guns.

David

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

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George Zimmerman had $200,000 support fund, attorney acknowledges...

Isn't that great, I mean that Bork Obunga has scared the American people so badly as to produce a renaissance in firearm sales, leaving firearm manufacturers like Browning, Remington, Marlin, and Colt with overflowing coffers to donate to the legal defense of a guy like Zimmerman?

What it reminds me of is the Bible verse:

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PSA 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over...

In other words, Browning, Remington, Marlin, and Colt and others have prepared a table for this guy Zimmerman in the midst of his enemies (Bork Obunga, the new black panthers, Al Dullton, Jesse Jackson, and the flori-duh judicial system) and there's not a thing in the world they can do about it. Isn't that grand?

Jesus said:
"If u don t have a sword,
u better buy one." Luke 22:36 [ or a modern .44 revolver ? ]

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Guns are also death penalties - often times by accident or criminal activities.

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@OmSigDAVID,

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Jn7PT96hXl4/T2xcrvxGMqI/AAAAAAAACm8/2-37ye8uL1U/s1600/gun.gif

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@firefly,

More then likely the money is coming from anyone who does not wish to see themselves or their love ones charge with murder if they had a need to save their lives some day by using deadly force in self defense.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Does anyone know how to get some money to Zimmy
to support his comfort in time of stress ?

I will keep looking into the matter as I am going to send funds as soon as possible to Zimmerman and when I find out how to do so I will post the information here.

We can not allow ourselves to loss the right of self defense as the one tee shirt stated I am Trayvon, well there should be a tee shirt with I am Zimmerman on it.

The sad part of it is the Sharptons of the world would be yelling how dare you charge Zimmerman if his skin had been black and his attacker white.

Unlike the two of us who could care less about skin color of the two parties but who the hell was attacked and needed to used deadly force in order to save his life.

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@firefly,

Personally, I wonder how much of Zimmerman's defense fund is coming from hate groups.

Apparently one of the images on his web page, where he asks for donations, depicted graffiti supporting his actions.... spray painted on a predominately African-American church.

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@DrewDad,

I voted for Obama and plan to do so in the upcoming election but I will do whatever I can to stop this silliness of charging anyone with murder be that person black or white of green for the crime of self defense.

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@DrewDad,

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I think you mean to say, "the NRA has been able to use Obama as a boogeyman to scare people into buying firearms."

Close... I'm saying that Obunga's own impression of a boogeyman is so good that the NRA doesn't need to do anything further to scare people.

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@OmSigDAVID,

David it look like everything is on hold until his lawyer get the funds set up in such a manner that it can not be use as an excuse to rescinded his bail.

However his lawyer plan to reopen the fund to donations in the near future and at 400 dollars an hour lawyer fees I myself plan on buying half an hour or so of lawyer time for Zimmerman.

http://wavenewspapers.com/news/national_world/article_f51aef6e-9037-11e1-b81c-0019bb30f31a.html

Though the account has been closed, O'Mara said he intends to open a legal defense fund for Zimmerman. "I've had dozens, hundreds actually, of people wanting to donate," he said.

O'Mara, who said he charges $400 per hour for family law cases, estimated Zimmerman's defense costs could reach $1 million. "You can really go through a lot of money on a case like this, with the intensity of it," he said.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

David it look like everything is on hold until his lawyer get the funds set up in such a manner that it can not be use as an excuse to rescinded his bail.

However his lawyer plan to reopen the fund to donations in the near future and at 400 dollars an hour lawyer fees I myself plan on buying half an hour or so of lawyer time for Zimmerman.

http://wavenewspapers.com/news/national_world/article_f51aef6e-9037-11e1-b81c-0019bb30f31a.html

Though the account has been closed, O'Mara said he intends to open a legal defense fund for Zimmerman. "I've had dozens, hundreds actually, of people wanting to donate," he said.

O'Mara, who said he charges $400 per hour for family law cases, estimated Zimmerman's defense costs could reach $1 million. "You can really go through a lot of money on a case like this, with the intensity of it," he said.

Zimmy was wise to defend his life in FLORIDA.
It 'd be more expensive in NY.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

I voted for Obama and plan to do so in the upcoming election but
I will do whatever I can to stop this silliness of charging anyone with murder
be that person black or white of green for the crime of self defense.

It woud be fair, just & equitable if everyone who is yelling against the law of self defense
had to actually USE it, because of the urgent need
to address a predatory emergency for himself,
or his mom, or his child. See what he 'd think of it THEN.

Bill, I don t think that obama is on the freedom side
of this issue of self defense.

David

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@BillRM,

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David it look like everything is on hold until his lawyer get the funds set up in such a manner that it can not be use as an excuse to rescinded his bail.

You can't understand anything can you?

The bail issue has nothing to do with Zimmerman's lawyer setting up a new legal defense fund.

The bail issue is related to Zimmerman's failure to disclose to the court that he had such monies in his fund. Zimmerman led the court, and his own lawyer, to believe he was indigent. And that might have been a factor in the judge's consideration of the amount of bail he set. The judge may, or may not, now decide to raise the bail amount because of these revelations--but that decision will have nothing to do with any new fund or how it is set up.

A separate, but related, aspect of this is that Zimmerman used some of the money in his defense fund, at least $50,000, to cover his living expenses, and not the legal expenses for which the fund was intended. That may or may not have been legal for him to do, and his lawyer said in court this morning that he will also look into that aspect, and address it.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, is going to set up a new legal defense fund that he controls--ostensibly to prevent Zimmerman or his family from pulling money out of it to use for other purposes. This way it will be clear who is in control of that money and how much is in the fund. Obviously, O'Mara can't trust Zimmerman on that score, Zimmerman has already misled him, so O'Mara will be in charge and will make sure it is properly and legally administered.

You seem to be unable to understand any aspects of this case without significantly distorting them or misrepresenting them.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I do not wish to branch off on Obama issue however let me point out that the governor who appointed this special prosecutor is a member of the GOP.

The same governor that wish to spend untold millions doing drug testing without probable cause of any kind.

Next I would warn everyone to be careful in where they donate funds for Zimmerman defense as I would bet there are already con men sitting up phony websites.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

I do not wish to branch off on Obama issue however let me point out
that the governor who appointed this special prosecutor is a member of the GOP.

YES. I did not mean to branch off.

BillRM wrote:

The same governor that wish to spend untold
millions doing drug testing without probable cause of any kind.

Next I would warn everyone to be careful in where they donate funds for Zimmerman defense
as I would bet there are already con men sitting up phony websites.

That 's a good point, Bill.
I 'd want my $$ to go directly to Zimmy, for his comfort & contentment.

David

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@BillRM,

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We can not allow ourselves to loss the right of self defense...

Stop being hysterical and fondling your gun.

The right to self defense is not being threatened. However, the use of deadly force in self defense must be legally justified.

You do not have the right to shoot and kill someone under any and all circumstances. The issue in this case is whether the use of deadly force was justified in this instance, and that has yet to be legally determined.

Contrary to what you have previously said, the "first responders" were not satisfied that this was a clear-cut case of self defense or that deadly force was justified.
The police report noted: "homicide, neglig. manslaughter--unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act".
And the lead investigator was unconvinced by Zimmerman's account, and presumably by his injuries as well, and he recommended to the state attorney that Zimmerman be arrested and charged with manslaughter immediately.

You seem to want people to have the right to use deadly force in alleged self defense without any questions asked about it. That's not a legitimate right to self defense, it's a license to kill.

No one is denying that Zimmerman had the right to defend his life with deadly force, if justified by the circumstances of the situation, and the parameters of self defense law--it's that "if" that must be legally determined in this case. That's why this case is where it belongs--in court.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Below is the website of his lawyer and I had let a message to give me the information concerning donations as soon as the fund is open once more for donations.

http://www.markomaralaw.com/

I will share any information I will received from his lawyer on this thread.

David he is not likely to be allow to get money send to him directly and not for his legal defense funds without endangering his bail.

Lord at a million dollars to defend against such a charge my wife and I would be wipe out in legally defensing ourselves.

The state should not have the power to financially ruin most people by just charging them with a crime.

No wonder 90 percent plus of people charge with a crime need to roll over and plea out.

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@BillRM,

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The state should not have the power to financially ruin most people by just charging them with a crime.

What an ass you are.

Right, the state should just ignore the dead body of an unarmed person next to the guy standing with a smoking gun. Rolling Eyes

Financial considerations for the suspect should definitely usurp the need for a legal determination of whether the homicide was justified by the circumstances of the situation, and the parameters of self defense law. Rolling Eyes

You have a wonderful set of priorities, BillRM. Money is more important than determining if a human life was unjustly taken. Just take the shooter's word for what happened, don't arrest him for the homicide, even if the lead investigator thinks he should be arrested--you'll impose a financial burden on him if you arrest him, and we don't want to do that...that interferes with the right of "self defense". Laughing

I wonder if paying for their son's funeral was a financial hardship for Trayvon Martin's parents? Have you thought about that? And they have legal expenses now too.

Zimmerman will probably wind up making a ton of money before this is over. He'll be in much better financial shape than you are.

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@firefly,

He's not an "ass," but a fucq'n Idiot.

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