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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 09:10 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You posted this:
Quote:
For what reason shud Zimmy be arrested???


I have no idea as to what this was in response in relationship to my post. I clearly indicate (I thought) that I am very much supportive of his arrest.


You also posted this:
Quote:
Right; justifiable homicide.


So then by your thinking, every fight should result in murder by a firearm?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 09:32 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
You posted this:
DAVID wrote:
For what reason shud Zimmy be arrested???
I did indeed. Yes.


Ragman wrote:
I have no idea as to what this was in response in relationship to my post.
I clearly indicate (I thought) that I am very much supportive of his arrest.
I am challenging and impugning the merit of your position.
We agree that u were clear.



You also posted this:
DAVID wrote:
Right; justifiable homicide.

Ragman wrote:
So then by your thinking, every fight should result in murder by a firearm?
It coud be possible that there r some that shud not.
Note, incidentally, that "murder" is definitionally unjustified.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 09:54 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
So much for Firefly's assertion that O"Mara likely feels lied to by George......

This business of you and BillRM constantly calling me a liar just makes the two of you look extremely childish. The two of you are never able to demonstate I'm lying, and it's simply a matter of the fact that, when you don't like what I'm saying, or don't agree with it, or feel it makes you look bad, you childishly say I'm lying because you don't want others to believe me. How silly can you get?
You are constantly playing to an audience, and worried about what readers are thinking of you, and whether or not you're "winning" some argument. I'm not concerned with that sort of nonsense. I'm actually trying to discuss a topic--something that you and BillRM really aren't capable of doing because neither of you ever addresses an issue taking into account all sides and all facets--you always advance only a one-sided view. If anyone is being deceitful it's you because of the amount of information you knowingly omit or distort.

I'm not relying on secondary sources, as you are with a newspaper article--I watched the interview and I know what O'Mara said. Zimmerman had not been honest with him about the amount in the defense fund.

It puts O'Mara in a difficult position because he's been asserting his client is indigent when that is not the case. And Zimmerman's first attorneys in this case did drop him as a client because he wasn't cooperating with them.

There were also two other lawyers on the program commenting on this issue, one of them said, "Well, he won't be the first client who wasn't honest with his lawyer about his assets," and the other one brought up possible perjury issues regarding what Zimmerman's family knew about the sum in the legal defense fund and whether this affected who was at the bond hearing.

And this morning, O'Mara had to go into court and tell the judge that his client is, in fact, not indigent, and that when his bail was set at $150,000, Zimmerman actually had that full amount in his defense fund.
Quote:
Judge delays decision on Zimmerman contributions
By the CNN Wire Staff
Fri April 27, 2012

(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer accused of wrongly killing Trayvon Martin, will not immediately have to turn over donations to his website, a Florida judge said Friday.

Zimmerman collected about $204,000 in donations through the website, but did not disclose the contributions during his bond hearing last week, according to Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara.

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda asked Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to increase Zimmerman's $150,000 bond. But the judge said he would delay ruling on the request, in part because he does not know if he has the authority to do so.

Lester said he is also concerned about revealing the names of donors.

"I'm not going to make a snap decision," Lester said.

Zimmerman's family testified last week at his bond hearing that they did not have the kind of resources that would have been necessary to meet the prosecution's suggested $1 million bond.

Zimmerman, 28, was released Monday on $150,000 bail, 10% of which his family put up to secure his release while he awaits trial on a second-degree murder charge in Martin's February 26 death.

Although Zimmerman spent some of the contributions on living expenses, about $150,000 remains, O'Mara said Friday. O'Mara said he has put the money into a trust he controls until a final decision is made about its use.

O'Mara said he learned about the money on Wednesday and he and Zimmerman were trying to shut down Zimmerman's website, Facebook page and Twitter account to avoid concerns about possible impersonators and other problems.

"He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he was talking about," O'Mara told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday. "He said those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And there was about ... $204,000 that had come in to date."

O'Mara had said earlier this month that he believed Zimmerman had no money.

Asked whether knowledge of the money might have made a difference to Lester, who presided at Zimmerman's bond hearing, O'Mara said, "It might have."

Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said Zimmerman's failure to reveal that he had the money shows that he is being dishonest.

"If his testimony at the bond hearing is any indication of what is to come, then the lying has already begun," Crump said.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/27/justice/florida-zimmerman-money/?hpt=ju_c1

My credibility is not at issue here, but George Zimmerman's is.

If Zimmerman was using the money from his defense fund to cover his living expenses, he knew how much was in that fund. He just didn't disclose it, and he continued to let his lawyer say, and believe, that he was indigent.











firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:11 am
Probably a good chunk of the money in Zimmerman's legal defense fund is coming from gun groups.

They are interested in the gun issues and the "Stand Your Ground" laws aspects of this case and that's a primary reason they wouldn't want to see Zimmerman convicted.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/gun-groups-seek-to-fund-george-zimmermans-defense/

The NRA is even trying to cash in on this case by selling their own concealed carry hoodies.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/nra-introduces-new-hoodies-with-gun-pockets-in-online-store/

And David and BillRM similarly seem to be viewing this case, at least in part, from a pro-gun advocacy postion, and they both carry guns. That's fine, but it's also unrelated to the central issues of whether Zimmerman recklessly provoked the fatal encounter and whether he was justified in using deadly force.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:32 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
My credibility is not at issue here, but George Zimmerman's is.
Well, u clearly implied in the Tom Swift thread
that when your MOOD changed,
then u 'd comment on whether u were in error
in recommending that people make statements to police, after u 'd seen the 2 videos posted below.

Several months have passed now, and we have yet to hear from u on this point,
tho u have admitted that your mood is good, several different times already.

How does that affect your credibility here or anywhere???

James Duane is a Professor at Regent Law School in Virginia Beach, Virginia,
where he received the Faculty Excellence Award in the fall of 2002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik



Officer George Bruch, Virginia Beach Police Dept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE





David
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:40 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David, my over-all mood is fine. However, I'm still not "in the mood" to discuss the videos or the particular issues you want to pursue, and which seem to have no relevance to this thread--my mood regarding those things is unchanged. Not everyone is interested in discussing the issues that interest you. Please, give it a rest already.

And George Zimmerman's credibility is at issue regarding the amounts in his legal defense fund and his allegedly indigent financial status.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:43 am
@firefly,
OK, but it has a bearing upon your credibility.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:48 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Probably a good chunk of the money in Zimmerman's legal defense fund is coming from gun groups.

They are interested in the gun issues and the "Stand Your Ground" laws aspects of this case and that's a primary reason they wouldn't want to see Zimmerman convicted.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/gun-groups-seek-to-fund-george-zimmermans-defense/

The NRA is even trying to cash in on this case by selling their own concealed carry hoodies.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/nra-introduces-new-hoodies-with-gun-pockets-in-online-store/

And David and BillRM similarly seem to be viewing this case, at least in part, from a pro-gun advocacy postion, and they both carry guns. That's fine, but it's also unrelated to the central issues of whether Zimmerman recklessly provoked the fatal encounter and whether he was justified in using deadly force.
The principle is the same whether Zimmy used a gun or if he picked up a rock,
while Mr. T was bashing his brain against the cement in revenge for Zimmy's following him.

The principle is the natural rights of the innocent
to fight back against the impositions of the guilty
.





David
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:49 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
OK, but it has a bearing upon your credibility.

David, please stop being a jerk--although you are certainly free to go on being a jerk, if that's what you want to do. I'll not deny you your right to be a jerk. Laughing

I wasn't in the mood to discuss those videos in the other thread, and I'm still not in the mood to discuss them. Not everyone shares your interests.
Quote:
The principle is the same whether Zimmy used a gun or if he picked up a rock,
while Mr. T was bashing his brain against the cement.

The priniciple might be the same, but I doubt if the gun groups would be pouring money into Zimmerman's legal defense fund if he had used a rock. Smile

And we don't know whether Zimmerman's head was being pounded into the cement or whether he was justified in using deadly force.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:53 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
while Mr. T was bashing his brain against the cement in revenge for Zimmy's following him.


DavidO, King of Assumptions and bad pronunciation
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:54 am
@firefly,
It is proper to hold u to account
for what u say or imply that u will do, and then default.

If that is being a "jerk"
then let us make the most of it (with apologies to Patrick Henry).





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 10:58 am
@ehBeth,
It is not an assumption, Beth.
I just accept the plausibility of Zimmy 's account of the experience.
It makes sense to ME.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 11:02 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Of coarse Zimmy's account makes sense to you; it's called myopia.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 11:07 am
@firefly,
DAVID wrote:
The principle is the same whether Zimmy used a gun or if he picked up a rock,
while Mr. T was bashing his brain against the cement.
firefly wrote:
The priniciple might be the same, but I doubt if the gun groups
would be pouring money into Zimmerman's legal defense fund if he had used a rock. Smile
I woud, because the whole idea is defeating evil depredations,
whether u use a gun or u box his ears; (that has been very fatal, indeed).




firefly wrote:
And we don't know whether Zimmerman's head was being pounded into the cement
or whether he was justified in using deadly force.
He has objective findings of the alleged injuries.
The very next impact upon his brain coud have very pernicious effects; who knows??
(Coud it turn him into a liberal???)
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 11:16 am
Quote:
George Zimmerman had $200,000 support fund, attorney acknowledges
By Richard Fausset
April 27, 2012

Last week, George Zimmerman's family told a Florida judge that it had very little money with which to help the alleged murderer make bond.

But as it turns out, Zimmerman had in fact raised more than $200,000 from supporters on a website and PayPal account he established. That new development, divulged by Zimmerman's attorney at a hearing Friday, could prompt Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth R. Lester Jr. to increase the $150,000 bond he set earlier -- though the judge said that he wanted to know more about who controls the money before ruling on the matter.

Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch volunteer, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder in the February slaying of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager whom Zimmerman encountered one evening and considered to be suspicious. Zimmerman, 28, acknowledges that he shot the 17-year-old, but says he did so in self-defense.

At a court hearing Friday morning, O'Mara told the judge that he found out about the funds after last week's bond hearing. Zimmerman was released from jail less than 72 hours later.

"I think that you needed to be aware" of the money, said O'Mara; the attorney told CNN about the money the night before.

Florida prosecutors had originally asked Lester to deny bond, or set it at $1 million, arguing that Zimmerman has a violent past. On Friday, Assistant State Atty. Bernardo de la Rionda said that the new information represented a "change in circumstances," and asked the court to raise the bond amount.

"The family members represented that they had no money, when in truth they really did," he told the judge. "...I don't know if they did that intentionally, or what."

Lester instead instructed O'Mara to give him more details about the PayPal account so that he can decide what his options are under the law.

"Before I can make a decision concerning this, I need to see who had control over that account," the judge said. "I may not have jurisdiction to tell anybody to do anything, or else I may."

The divulging of the support fund was the latest in a string of actions by Zimmerman that have raised the ire of Martin's family. Benjamin Crump, the lawyer for Martin's parents, told the Associated Press before the hearing that they hoped bail would be revoked.

"This is a bombshell that was dropped," Crump told the news service, adding that the parents were "offended" that the court was not made aware of the fund earlier.

Zimmerman took the stand at last week's bond hearing and apologized to Martin's family. He did not, however, mention the fund.

O'Mara said that the family members, at the time of their testimony, "didn't believe that [the money] was fully available to them. But it was there."

O'Mara said that Zimmerman had already used roughly $50,000 of the money "for living expenses -- rent or whatever," and that the remaining $150,000 was now in a separate trust account under O'Mara's control.

He added that the website, and all other aspects of Zimmerman's Internet presence, have now been taken offline.

On Sunday, when Zimmerman's family members came up with the $15,000 -- 10% of the total bond amount -- needed to secure Zimmerman's release with a bail bond, they used $5,000 of the money raised on the website, O'Mara said.

The matter came up in a hearing originally called to discuss news organizations' desire that documents in the court case not be sealed.

Lester said that from now on, court filings would be public records, unless the party filing them requested otherwise. He would determine whether to seal such documents on a case-by-case basis, the judge added.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zimmerman-reveals-support-fund-2012-0427,0,1035645.story

If Zimmerman and his family were using the money in the defense fund, they knew the amount in the fund--they knew he wasn't "indigent".

This does raise questions about Zimmerman's credibilty.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 11:25 am

Does anyone know how to get some money to Zimmy
to support his comfort in time of stress ?






David
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 11:26 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Insignificant, I would imagine.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 11:27 am
@firefly,
Quote:
George Zimmerman had $200,000 support fund, attorney acknowledges...


Isn't that great, I mean that Bork Obunga has scared the American people so badly as to produce a renaissance in firearm sales, leaving firearm manufacturers like Browning, Remington, Marlin, and Colt with overflowing coffers to donate to the legal defense of a guy like Zimmerman?

What it reminds me of is the Bible verse:

Quote:

PSA 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over...


In other words, Browning, Remington, Marlin, and Colt and others have prepared a table for this guy Zimmerman in the midst of his enemies (Bork Obunga, the new black panthers, Al Dullton, Jesse Jackson, and the flori-duh judicial system) and there's not a thing in the world they can do about it. Isn't that grand?

DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 11:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
The principle is the natural rights of the innocent to fight back against the impositions of the guilty.

Yes. But most people I've been in contact with apply that statement to Trayvon's actions.

DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2012 11:30 am
@gungasnake,
I think you mean to say, "the NRA has been able to use Obama as a boogeyman to scare people into buying firearms."
 

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