Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

Nor do you have the right to cause a confrontation and then shoot the person you provoked because you felt threatened by them after you provoked them.

Animus toward the victim is an element of 2nd degree murder.

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Zimmerman gambled with Martin's life by creating a situation through his careless actions. Without

LOL if some hoodlum attacked someone who is wearing a gold rolex watch and as a resulted end up dead we should charge the rolex watch wearer with murder as but for him wearing the watch the hoodlum would not had attacked and gotten killed.

After all the watch wearer had created the situation!!!!!!!!!!

No. It requires a concrete intention to risk someone's life, or intention to do something you know is clearly risking someone's life.

No. It requires a concrete intention to risk someone's life, or intention to do something you know is clearly risking someone's life.

parados wrote:

Nor do you have the right to cause a confrontation and then shoot the person you provoked because you felt threatened by them after you provoked them.

If they could prove that Zimmerman provoked the violence, that would be a good case for manslaughter.

Now, is there any evidence that Zimmerman provoked the violence?

Animus toward the victim is an element of 2nd degree murder.

Not when it's Depraved Heart Murder.

Overview of Florida Second Degree Murder Laws

In Florida, state laws establish several types of homicide, the unlawful killing of a human being. The state prosecutes homicides as murders and manslaughters -- it may be helpful to know the multiple types of murders established by state law and understand the differences among them. In particular, second degree murder lacks the premeditation often required for the prosecution of a first degree murder.

To prove second degree murder, a prosecutor must show that the defendant acted according to a "depraved mind" without regard for human life. Florida state laws permit the prosecution of second degree murder when the killing lacked premeditation or planning, but the defendant acted with enmity toward the victim or the two had an ongoing interaction or relationship. Unlike first degree murder, second degree murder does not necessarily require proof of the defendant's intent to kill.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/florida-law/florida-second-degree-murder-laws.html

So what ironclad, written in stone, evidence is there that Zimmerman provoked the violence.

Can you admit you were wrong, oralloy?
Or, as usual, will you cling to your delusion that you are infallible?

When I am factually wrong, I certainly do admit it.

Since when does evidence have to be "ironclad"? Or "ironclad" for a jury to accept it?

Do you expect all crimes to be videotaped--with accompanying audio?

oralloy wrote:

No. It requires a concrete intention to risk someone's life, or intention to do something you know is clearly risking someone's life.

really? Where is that in Florida law?

oralloy wrote:

No. It requires a concrete intention to risk someone's life, or intention to do something you know is clearly risking someone's life.

By having a gun and acting in the fashion he did he clearly was doing something that he had been told on more than one occasion was risking someone's life. Neighborhood watch groups tell their people to not carry a gun and to not follow people because it is risking life or injury to do so. Are you arguing that is not so?

oralloy wrote:

parados wrote:

Nor do you have the right to cause a confrontation and then shoot the person you provoked because you felt threatened by them after you provoked them.

If they could prove that Zimmerman provoked the violence, that would be a good case for manslaughter.

Now, is there any evidence that Zimmerman provoked the violence?

Yes, there is. You just want to ignore it.

oralloy wrote:

firefly wrote:

Animus toward the victim is an element of 2nd degree murder.

Not when it's Depraved Heart Murder.

This time you are definitely wrong, oralloy.

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Overview of Florida Second Degree Murder Laws

In Florida, state laws establish several types of homicide, the unlawful killing of a human being. The state prosecutes homicides as murders and manslaughters -- it may be helpful to know the multiple types of murders established by state law and understand the differences among them. In particular, second degree murder lacks the premeditation often required for the prosecution of a first degree murder.

To prove second degree murder, a prosecutor must show that the defendant acted according to a "depraved mind" without regard for human life. Florida state laws permit the prosecution of second degree murder when the killing lacked premeditation or planning, but the defendant acted with enmity toward the victim or the two had an ongoing interaction or relationship. Unlike first degree murder, second degree murder does not necessarily require proof of the defendant's intent to kill.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/florida-law/florida-second-degree-murder-laws.html

As I've already pointed out, Zimmerman had animosity toward Martin from the moment he spotted him and profiled him as a criminal type simply on the basis of his physical appearance and manner of dress.

So, animus toward a victim can definitely be an element of second degree murder in Florida,.

The state may well argue that, on the basis of racial profiling, which caused him to see Martin as a member of a criminal group he felt particular animosity toward, that enmity toward Martin was a factor in this killing and a factor in everything that Zimmerman did that led up to it.

Can you admit you were wrong, oralloy?

Or, as usual, will you cling to your delusion that you are infallible?

Since when does evidence have to be "ironclad"? Or "ironclad" for a jury to accept it?

But I've never claimed to be always right. That's oralloy's brand of chutzpah.