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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:44 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

I see....
Known facts like what Zimmerman was thinking and like you know for certain that Zimmerman wasn't trying to take Skittles away.

Obviously, you seem to think your opinions are facts.


We know Zimmermans motive by way of recordings made of his real time thoughts while the even was in progress. It was to make his neighborhood safe.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:57 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
but the judge and the state are complicit in a scheme to get these poor innocent folks for sure...


I don't know about complicit, but the state has so far behaved pretty badly in this case.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 09:42 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

My conjecture would be crowded court calenders and the time each side needs to prepare for trial.

I guess I can understand about court dockets being full and all, but why do they need that long to prepare? PhDs do dissertations in less time than that. Don't you think it's partially because the "speedy trial" piece of the system is just broken?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 09:52 pm
@snood,
Zimmerman waived his right to a speedy trial.

He could have had one, if he wished.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 10:51 pm
@DrewDad,
Is that true? Tell me about that.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 10:55 pm
@snood,
Trayvon Martin case: George Zimmerman waives right to speedy trial

Quote:
George Zimmerman has waived his right to a speedy trial, arguing to a Florida court that he needs more time to prepare. The move means it could be October at the earliest -- and likely much later -- before the start of his second-degree murder trial.

...

Florida's rules of criminal procedure require that suspects charged with a felony be brought to trial within 175 days of their arrest, unless those defendants ask that the right be waived.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 06:24 am
Wow. Educational. Thanks, DD. Coulda found it myself if I wasn't so lazy I guess, but thanks.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 07:22 am
@snood,
Particularly in a high profile case like this, a speedy trial is not to Zimmerman's advantage. They want all of the media attention and publicity and high emotion to dissipate.

Now that most of the evidence has been released, there really shouldn't be any new developments in the case and that will help the attention to die down. The only two issues which will likely merit attention will be whether the judge recuses himself, in response to the defense motion, and whether Shellie Zimmerman will be tried on the perjury charge.

Without the release of any more new evidence pertaining to the shooting, nothing will really be going on with the case, and the public and the media will grow tired of talking about it until the trial gets underway.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 07:27 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
I guess I can understand about court dockets being full and all, but why do they need that long to prepare? PhDs do dissertations in less time than that. Don't you think it's partially because the "speedy trial" piece of the system is just broken?

Preparing for trial takes a long time. Continuance requests are extremely common, which require the accused to waive their right to a speedy trial.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 07:37 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
So far I've heard no one dispute that Zimmerman was trying to trail along behind Martin and keep him in view before the dispatcher advised that they didn't need him to do that.

It appears you are unaware that the shooting occurred after the dispatcher advised him.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 08:18 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Oralloy wrote:
So far I've heard no one dispute that Zimmerman was trying to trail along behind Martin and keep him in view before the dispatcher advised that they didn't need him to do that.


It appears you are unaware that the shooting occurred after the dispatcher advised him.


That is incorrect. The fact that I have made many points that are based on the fact of the shooting being three minutes later, makes it very clear that I am aware of it.

EDIT: Well technically it was one point repeated many times. But still, same effect.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 08:36 am
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
Preparing for trial takes a long time. Continuance requests are extremely common, which require the accused to waive their right to a speedy trial.


There is still the problem of a president and his AG having inserted themselves into this picture for the purpose of race hustling. My own guess would be that Zimmerman's lawyers would prefer a trial going forward after Bork Obunga and Eric Holder were gone or at least on their way out.



BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 08:53 am
@gungasnake,
Sorry but it was a Republican governor who appointed this prosecutor with the task of going after Zimmerman no matter what the facts happen to be.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 10:03 am
So, who thinks Zimmerman's angling for an insanity plea?

George Zimmerman Says He Wouldn’t Do Anything Differently: ‘It Was God’s Plan’ For Me To Kill Trayvon Martin

Quote:
Tonight, George Zimmerman — who is currently facing second degree murder charges for killing Trayvon Martin — participated in a highly unusual interview on Fox News with Sean Hannity.

Hannity asked Zimmerman if he regretted getting out of his car to follow Trayvon, carrying a gun, or anything at all about the night he killed Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman said he regretted nothing because he believed “it was all God’s plan.” He also said there isn’t anything he would do differently in retrospect.

Earlier, Zimmerman did reiterate his apology to Martin’s family, which he first made during his first bail hearing. He added he would like an apology from Spike Lee and other critics, stating “if I did something wrong I would apologize.”

Update

At the very end of the interview, Zimmerman went back to the question and said, “I do wish there was something, anything I could have done that would have put me in the position where I didn’t have to take his life. And I do want to tell everyone…that I’m sorry that this happened.”
Update

Trayvon’s father responds:


Matt Gutman @mattgutmanABC

Zimmerman said "it was god's plan". Trayvon's father: "We must worship a diff god bc no way that MY God would hv wanted GZ to kill my son."


Video at the link provided.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 12:10 pm
@DrewDad,
I watched the interview last night and I think it's a terrible mistake for him to be opening his mouth before he goes to trial-- he puts his foot into it. He made statements that were inconsistent with things he has said before, and his remark about, "It was God's plan," was crazy and suggests he does not take personal responsibility for his actions. If he winds up going to jail, I guess that will be "God's plan" too. And, if there is nothing about that night that he regrets, or would do differently if he could, he really is crazy.

So I felt his interview had a negative impact in terms of his "image" but his remarks were a gift for the prosecution.

He's apparently doing interviews because he's "desperate for money" according to Barbara Walters, and she had flown to Florida yesterday because he had agreed to do an interview with her. When she got there to sit down with him, he refused to do the interview unless one condition was met, and that was a condition that ABC News could not agree to. Walters explained all of that on "The View" today, and while she was on the air, Zimmerman called in and wanted to talk to her. This is what happened.
Quote:
Barbara Walters Rejects George Zimmerman's Interview Demands
The Huffington Post
By Rebecca Shapiro
07/19/2012

Barbara Walters revealed on Thursday that she had rejected demands made by Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman in exchange for an interview.

The New York Post reported on Thursday that Walters had traveled down to Florida with the intention of interviewing Zimmerman, but walked away after he requested that ABC get him a hotel room for a month.

Walters was not competing for the first interview with Zimmerman, as he had already granted that privilege to Fox News' Sean Hannity. Hannity's interview aired on Wednesday night.

Walters confirmed much of the Post's story on Thursday's "View." She explained that Zimmerman's lawyer, whom she referred to as "effective," confirmed Tuesday night that Zimmerman would do an interview. Walters said that Zimmerman was going to tape an interview with Hannity before sitting down with her. Walters said Hannity "had been very supportive to [Zimmerman] in the past and George Zimmerman told me that he was very grateful, and I appreciated his loyalty to Hannity."

Walters agreed that her interview would tape and air after Zimmerman sat down with Hannity. She said that she had then flown down to Florida for the interview.

When Walters and her team arrived in Florida, she said that Zimmerman came in dressed in a t-shirt, rather than a suit. "That should have been my first clue," she said.

According to Walters, Zimmerman said that the plans had changed, and he was refusing to do the interview unless ABC granted him one request. Walters refused to confirm that he had requested a month-long stay in a hotel. "It was a condition that, being a member of ABC News, I was unable to grant," she said.

Walters described Zimmerman as "desperate for money" and "very worried about his family." She also said he was "polite, soft-spoken, stubborn." She said that his lawyers "wanted him to do the interview."

The drama took a bizarre twist when Walters announced that Zimmerman wanted to call into the show to speak to Walters. "He wouldn't do the interview, but now he has something to say," she said, later adding, "This has been an interesting day, to say the least."

She then pointedly refused to put him on air. "Mr. Zimmerman, if you could not do the interview yesterday, I don’t think we should do a quick one today," she said. "In the future if you feel differently, we will consider it.”

Though she did not acknowledge that there had been any monetary request made of the network, Walters has asserted in the past that ABC News does not pay for interviews.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/barbara-walters-george-zimmerman-interivew-demands_n_1685668.html


I'm glad Walters refused to put him on the air this morning. She's too smart to allow herself, and her show, to be used by him that way, particularly after the stunt he pulled yesterday after she, and her producer, and crew, had flown to Florida expecting an interview.

This is a man with poor judgment, and he keeps demonstrating that poor judgment. But I also wonder about his lawyer's judgment in allowing Zimmerman to open his mouth in public and grant interviews. They may hope it will increase donations, but it's got a definite downside.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 02:55 pm
@firefly,
Walters has long been viewed by many as journalism scum so there is no reason to take her personal opinion seriously. Her tap dancing here is out of line....if she has an accusation that she wants to make then she should make it. Otherwise she should shut the **** up.

Classy this broad is not.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 03:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
Please define "many."

You may only count yourself once... no matter how many voices you have in your head.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 03:15 pm
@DrewDad,
Laughing
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 03:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
if she has an accusation that she wants to make then she should make it

She did make it. She said he reneged on the agreement to do the interview with her, after she went down to Florida to do it, by suddenly coming up with a conditional request ABC News couldn't honor.
Quote:
Classy this broad is not.

She's classy enough that she didn't reveal the demand/request. I have a feeling it wouldn't make him look good if she had revealed it. It likely involved financial compensation of some sort.


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 03:36 pm
@firefly,
Every star in hollywood has pr people who tell interviewers that the star will not talk about xyz and a condition of the interview is that they are not to be asked about x y or z.......this is mostly likely what the sticking point was, and Walters should understand. I think that she has her panties in a twist because she did not get the get, and is insinuating that ZIMMERMAN wanted money as retribution. Fox has been very clear that they did nothing financially for Zimmerman, not directly or indirectly, which pretty much makes a hash of the validity of Walters guess that Zimmerman is after money. This is the guy who needed to come up with over a million for bail and had it with-in hours, he does not have money problems.
 

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