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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:39 am
@MontereyJack,
Yes he surely did by daring to defend his life how dare the asshole not had allow poor Trayvon to either kill him or cripple him for life.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:46 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

he brought it on himself. with luck he'll have quite a few quiet years in prison to reflect on his actions.
Let 's see what u think if another Trayvon jumps on YOU
and u bash him with a rock.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:53 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
Corey is now trying to convince somebody that George Zimmerman was thinking something like:


Quote:
Damn, I really like colored people but every once in a while
I gotta whack one of em for dear old Mom and Dad, sorry Trayvon this just isn't your day....
but b4 he goes ahead with that, HE CALLS THE POLICE n TELLS THEM WHEN & WHERE

Then he waits for them.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:53 am
What I think is Zimmerman provoked whatever attack there was by confronting and attacking Trayvon first, and Trayvon in fear for his life from this crazy man tried to stop him.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:55 am
David says
Quote:
but b4 he goes ahead with that, HE CALLS THE POLICE n TELLS THEM WHEN & WHERE

Then he waits for them


Let's be complete about this.
but b4 he goes ahead with that, HE CALLS THE POLICE n TELLS THEM WHEN & WHERE. THEN HE SHOOTS AND KILLS TRAYVON
Then he waits for them
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:57 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

David says
Quote:
but b4 he goes ahead with that, HE CALLS THE POLICE n TELLS THEM WHEN & WHERE

Then he waits for them


Let's be complete about this.
but b4 he goes ahead with that, HE CALLS THE POLICE n TELLS THEM WHEN & WHERE. THEN HE SHOOTS AND KILLS TRAYVON
Then he waits for them
We r all safer for that; blessings be upon Zimmy!

I 'm ready for his book.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 10:07 am
@hawkeye10,
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The allegations that this women makes are pretty benign however, they represent normal kid behavior.

What she described Zimmerman doing with her was not "normal kid behavior". But it is the sort of behavior that is most often exhibited by a child who has been sexually abused, and it is possible that Zimmerman was sexually abused as a child or inappropriately exposed to sexually explicit materials or situations at a very young age.

Zimmerman was also apparently physically abused as a child by his mother.
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Zimmerman arrived at one of his police interviews with a friend who works as an air marshal. That friend told police Zimmerman was physically abused by his mother and had been estranged from his family.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/12/4626673/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy


According to his former fiancé, Zimmerman would often have aggressive outbursts and threaten to commit suicide.

He was court-ordered to take anger management classes because he had attacked a law enforcement officer who was trying to make an arrest.

And Zimmerman was in some sort of psychiatric treatment, and receiving two different psych meds, at the time of the shooting.

If you put all the info together, it appears that Zimmerman had a troubled childhood, marred by abuse, which left him struggling with impulse control and mood problems, as well as self esteem issues as an adult, all of which might have affected his need to play the hero and impaired his judgment, in the sequence of events that led up to the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

I've felt all along that Zimmerman was/is a man with some psychological problems, and that was what accounted for his poor judgment in following and confronting Martin. I think that even explains the idiocy of his lying to the court about his finances and possession of a second passport at his first bond hearing. Zimmerman gets so caught up in his emotions and impulses that his perception and judgment becomes very faulty and he disregards the consequences of his actions--including the consequences to himself.

And I think that same faulty perception and judgment might have caused him to feel that his life was in imminent danger, when it was not, and caused him to use deadly force unnecessarily. I have always been struck by the fact that Zimmerman seems not to have fought back at all--something that would be almost reflexive to do if you're getting punched by someone who's on top of you--instead he reached for his gun, and used it. Was the use of deadly force justified if it was based on a faulty or exaggerated perception of the danger to himself? I really don't know the answer to that question, or whether Florida law would take such things into account, but I think it's an interesting question to ponder.

If anything, the information I've learned about Zimmerman, and his background and childhood, has caused me to view the man with much more sympathy because I do see him as a person who is more troubled than malevolent. So I'm not sure that these "revelations" about him have an entirely negative effect.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 10:29 am
@roger,
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I know you didn't ask my opinion, but that strikes me as another dumb Florida law. I can easily imagine someone offering testimony if it were used to good effect. The same person might choose to remain mute if it were known that the statement would be publicized without being used.


But there are people, and Hawkeye is one, who feel they are entitled to see all information contained in public records in the possession of the state--and that would include all evidence and witness statements collected pre-trial as part of the discovery process. And that's why Florida has these public record/Sunshine Laws.

Neither the state nor the defense wanted the pre-trial evidence released--they don't want the case tried in the court of public opinion, and they don't want a potential jury pool tainted by the exposure of all of this material. It was the media who fought, in court, to get the evidence released, under the Sunshine/public records laws, and they won.

And that's why this material, about the sexual molestation, had to be released--the judge had no legal basis on which to withhold it--it was part of the evidence collected by the state.
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guing that the allegation was irrelevant to the murder charge, O’Mara, appeared at two hearings before Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester in an bid to seal the witness’ statement. Lester twice ruled against him.

O’Mara filed a motion Monday morning to put a stop to the judge’s ruling just minutes before the statement’s scheduled release. Absent an order from the court to hold off, the Duval County state attorney, who has charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder in the killing of Miami Gardens teen Trayvon Martin, released the statement, along with audio of more than 100 telephone calls Zimmerman made from jail.

The judge said in his ruling that nothing in Florida’s public-records law allows for such information to be kept secret. By law, evidence the prosecution turns over to the defense — called “discovery” — is public record. There are exceptions for things such as telecommunications records and confessions.

Lawyers for The Miami Herald, the Orlando Sentinel and other news media argued for the release of the statement and about 150 of Zimmerman’s recorded jailhouse calls.
At a hearing last month, assistant state attorney Bernie de la Rionda said he might call “witness 9” as a rebuttal witness at trial.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2897557_p2/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html#storylink=cpy


They have redacted the names of all the civilian witnesses on the evidence which has been released. And, apparently, this woman might be called to testify at some point, so her statements might be used in some way.

Personally, I think the release of all the pre-trial evidence might well damage the ability to get a fair trial because of how potential jurors might be influenced. But, for those who demand complete openess from the state, these Sunshine Laws should make them very happy.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 10:33 am

ANYONE who is violently attacked has equally as much right to defend himself
as anyone else, regardless of the state of his mental health.





David
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Think there's any shot at Corey, Lester, and Nifong all ending up flipping burgers at the same McDonalds franchise? I know statistically it's pretty slim but there actually is such a thing as karma in the world.....
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:33 am
One aspect/area of George Zimmerman's life which almost certainly will change as a result of this experience, he'll probably never vote for a demoKKKrat again.....
parados
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:32 pm
@gungasnake,
Considering he lives in Florida, he won't ever be able to vote again since they don't restore voting rights to convicted felons.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:39 pm
And in the unlikely event he ever got his voting rights restored, he'd be really stupid to vote for a republiKKKan, since it was their idiotic law, and his own really REALLY bad judgment that got him into this fix in the first place. Should have just sat in his car and waited for the cops, who showed up one minute after he murdered Trayvon, according to the timeline. ONE MINUTE, the difference between being a free man and a felon.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:47 pm
@MontereyJack,
Sorry but unless AL Sharpton is allow to pick the jury the odds are that Mr. Zimmerman will walk.

The state know it does not have a case or it would not feel the need to try to blacken his name by finding someone who claimed he did not play doctor with her nice at age 8 or so.

Hmm I am still in touch with the young now old lady that I played doctor with in the 1950s hopefully she will not try to throw me under the bus in a similar manner to Zimmerman if the state would come after me.

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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:51 pm
They did not find her. She found them. Her testimony is not recent, it is from shortly after the shooting. She got in contact with the authorities because she had first-hand experience with Zimmerman, since he was her relative, and she was afraid he would walk, and she knew from experience his character was abysmal. He was not "playing doctor", his actions were molestation, pure and simple. It was a power game, and she was the victim. You're too wrapped up in your own off-kilter fantasies to recognize that.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 01:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
They did not find her. She found them. Her testimony is not recent, it is from shortly after the shooting


An if you believe that I have a bridge in NY to sell you my friend.

They have everything up to FBI agents doing background checks on this man in the hope if showing him as a racist and maybe even allowing Federal charges.

Good luck as this would never had seen the light of day if the state had any case at all again Zimmerman.

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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 01:07 pm
Bullshit. Her testimony was in the mass of interviews from just after the murder. And she knew Zimmerman, quite a bit more intimately and fearfully than she wanted to. Certainly much more than you know him. She is his COUSIN, may I remind you. How much familial contact with Zimmerman have YOU had? More than her? Somewhow I doubt it.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 01:18 pm

I don't believe that Zimmy will have any trouble
in winning the case. I just hope that he gets plenty of income
from his book n movie to set him up wealthy for life. He deserves that.





David
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 01:22 pm
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, worthless though it usually proves to be.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 01:23 pm
@MontereyJack,
Yes indeed someone who claimed that an 8 years old overpower her and did something against her wishes beginning at age 6 or so!!!!!!!!!!!

So most males are now at risk of similar charges for playing doctor with a female playmate at age 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes all males at whatever age are sexual predators and all females are victims.

At least all females had a blank check to claimed victimhood standing if she feel any sense of guilt over childhood sexual play.
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