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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

Forums: Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, Legal, Florida, Law
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 07:09 pm
@gungasnake,
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he would have been around 11 - 12 ...

Can you read--the woman, who is a relative of Zimmerman's, claims this went on until she was 19--and he's a few years older than she is.

None of the sexual business is relevant to the case, so it won't be part of any trial. The state's only interest was likely her comments about the racial remarks.

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 08:38 pm
This one should be obvious to anybody with anything resembling brains or talent... The legal system down there in Flori-duh is getting desperate, i.e. they're all being made to look really really bad and really, really stupid.

The FBI just issued a major report indicating that they'd interviewed everybody who ever knew George Zimmerman including people who knew him in previous incarnations when he was a pharoah of Egypt, and they can't find the first person to say that he has anything at all against blacks or that there is any reason to think of him as a racist.

Now all of a sudden the stupid fuckers come up with some chick whose supposed to have let let him "molest(TM)" her from age 6 (when he was 7 or 8) until she was 19 i.e. for 11 years...

I mean if you can't smell the bullshit in this one you need to be talking to a nose doctor.


Discussion on FR:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2907065/posts

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 10:45 pm
@gungasnake,
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Now all of a sudden the stupid fuckers come up with some chick whose supposed to have let let him "molest(TM)" her from age 6 (when he was 7 or 8) until she was 19 i.e. for 11 years..


I dont think it is the state...rather I think it is victim worshipers who are getting very worried that Zimmerman has nothing to fear from the state on the killing charges and are beating the bushes looking for any dirt on Zimmerman that they can find. They have convinced this woman to go forward with her pathetic little story, and you can be sure that money changed hands (none of this is yet provable, we will need to wait for a journalist to ferret out the story or for someone to write a good book about the Zimmerman affair).

The allegations that this women makes are pretty benign however, they represent normal kid behavior. She was willing to play at the time and never indicated to Zimmerman that she was not, now she has herself as some traumatized big time victim.

Next.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 11:03 pm
She's not "some chick". She's his cousin. She's known him most of her life and he apparently molested her for a large portion of it. She didn't "Suddenly" appear. She contacted them shortly after the killing. The evidence she gave, like all the other depositions taken from other witnesses, has been sitting in the can for months, and is now being released to the public. And someone's, probably snaKKKe's statement that nobody who knew him says he's racist. She does, and she's part of his extended family. You guys really don't want to hear anything that shows you your image of Zimmerman the saint is bogus, do you?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 11:04 pm
She's not "some chick". She's his cousin. She's known him most of her life and he apparently molested her for a large portion of it. She didn't "Suddenly" appear. She contacted them shortly after the killing. The evidence she gave, like all the other depositions taken from other witnesses, has been sitting in the can for months, and is now being released to the public. And someone's, probably snaKKKe's statement that nobody who knew him says he's racist is wrong.. She does, and she's part of his extended family. You guys really don't want to hear anything that shows you your image of Zimmerman the saint is bogus, do you?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 11:16 pm
@MontereyJack,
I dont have Zimmerman fitted, I am only concerned with the allegation that he is a criminal. I dont see any indication that he is.

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probably snaKKKe's statement that nobody who knew him says he's racist is wrong
Did you read the rest of the paragraph? This same person can not come up with a single racist quote that Zimmerman has ever said.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 11:46 pm
I doubt I could come up with a quote of what someone said ten years ago, but I could probably give you the thrust of what they were saying. I mean, think about it, how many sentences can you recite of what someone said a decade ago.
And she was NOT a willing participant. She was scared shitless of him, and thought no one would believe her because they were convinced he was so good. Which is a pretty common reaction to such things. Look how long the priests and Jerry Sandusky got away with it, and how similar their victims felt.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 11:58 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

They simply released her entire witness statement. I believe that's done in accordance with Florida's Sunshine Laws pertaining to open government records.


I know you didn't ask my opinion, but that strikes me as another dumb Florida law. I can easily imagine someone offering testimony if it were used to good effect. The same person might choose to remain mute if it were known that the statement would be publicized without being used.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:48 am
@roger,
It sure does appear that the officials of this state have never heard of the concept of justice. Maybe it is time for Zimmerman's people to ask for the charges to be dropped since it is impossible for him to get a fair trial in Florida.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:59 am
@hawkeye10,
Of course, my comment didn't really relate to Zimmerman. Now, Zimmerman's lawyer didn't seem to want it release. I don't believe the witness did either.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:07 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

Of course, my comment didn't really relate to Zimmerman. Now, Zimmerman's lawyer didn't seem to want it release. I don't believe the witness did either.

Can we use the sunshine laws to find out what kinda porn Zimmerman likes too? That would be cool, and is just as relevant to the case as is this cousins story. Zimmerman seems to have power issues, so maybe he likes to tie his wife up and beat her, and she likes it too. Surely we need to know this information! * sarcasm*
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 03:32 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I dont have Zimmerman fitted, I am only concerned with the allegation that he is a criminal.
I dont see any indication that he is.

Quote:
probably snaKKKe's statement that nobody who knew him says he's racist is wrong
Did you read the rest of the paragraph?
This same person can not come up with a single racist quote
that Zimmerman has ever said.
People even disparage their own; e.g., my dead friend, Neil, was very Irish
and approved of the Irish (very proud of Reagan), but he ofen remarked about
some "dum Irish donkey" as he chose to put it.

Everyone has a right to racial opinions, be thay good or bad,
the same as freedom of opinion qua anything else.





David
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 04:36 am
@hawkeye10,
The guy I'd like to be able to read a bit more about is this clown judge Lester. A guy like that being in that sort of a position is a major league problem.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 05:28 am
The FBI's take:

https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#q=zimmerman+fbi+hate+crime&hl=en&tbm=nws&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnt&tbs=sbd:1&sa=X&ei=KEsFULD2NOXy2QW9zPShBQ&ved=0CCgQpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7285c082890bfe43&biw=1320&bih=756

Take your pick... For instance:

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/12/4626673/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html

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FBI records: agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist
By Frances Robles and Scott Hiaason
Miami Herald
Published: Thursday, Jul. 12, 2012 - 9:13 am
Last Modified: Friday, Jul. 13, 2012 - 9:08 am
After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show....

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/12/4626673/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy


But, oh wait, we're supposed to ignore all of that and believe this **** instead:

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...He molested me every day from the time I was six until about the time I was forty two and, oh, by the way, he's a racist, his whole family is racists, I mean they just hates negroes.....


The act I like in this whole thing is Martin's Mother's:

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My sweet, darling, innocent little Trayvon was hunted down like a dawg...


She should get over it. I mean, how hard could a guy like Trayvon Martin really be to replace? You can train crows and magpies to steal women's jewelry, that's what one of Rossini's operas was about.



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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 05:34 am
Image from article Time Magazine is preparing on the topic:

http://pzrservices.typepad.com/vintageadvertising/images/2007/05/09/insane_child_with_sandwich_ad.jpghttp://img2-3.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/news/120423/george-zimmerman-300.jpg
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:12 am

I 'm sorry that Zimmy is going thru all this,
but he sure has given us a lot to write about.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:21 am
he brought it on himself. with luck he'll have quite a few quiet years in prison to reflect on his actions.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
keying error.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
keying error
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
This **** keeps on getting funnier... I was listening to a bit of Steve Malzburg this morning on Chris Plant's show and he was playing parts of this witness #9's testimony ande aside from the claim of being molested for 10+ years starting when she was 6 - 8 and apparently ending when she was 16 lying on a bed under covers with George and then running out of the house when George attempted to feel her up or something ( didn't say whether a troll or ogre or what exactly dragged her into the bedroom and under the covers), she is claiming that George himself never harbored any ill will towards blacks but that his parents did.....

Can you believe that ****? I try to keep separate categories for things I believe on general principles and things I feel I could defend in a formal debate and this one on a scale of one to ten is in negative numbers. Corey is now trying to convince somebody that George Zimmerman was thinking something like:

Quote:

Damn, I really like colored people but every once in a while I gotta whack one of em for dear old Mom and Dad, sorry Trayvon this just isn't your day....


I could defend evolutionism as easily as I could defend that.
 

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