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Israel Court Rejects Delay In Settlement Evacuation

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 11:15 am
@Moment-in-Time,
The Oslo Accords set up a negotiating process between Israel and the Pals. This was grossly violated by the Pals when they sought statehood unilaterally. This is just one of a host of Pal violations of treaties and resolutions.

To this day, the Pals do not recognize Israel's nationhood.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 11:13 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Native Americans are free to live wherever they want in the USA. But Jews seeking to live in the WB and Gaza are targeted for murder.


Could it be simply that Jews wish to own the entire land as opposed to merely living there like normal people?


No. It is that Palestinians are evil and refuse to make peace.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
Gaza was relinquished to the Palestinians because Israel wanted the rest of the entire shebang.


Stop making things up. You know very well that the Gaza pullout was going to be followed up with a unilateral pullout from most of the West Bank, but that was halted when the Gazans, instead of peacibly going about forming their own country, turned Gaza into an artillery platform for firing on Israeli civilians.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
That is why Israel is bombarded by rockets and this will continue until Israel, an expansionist nation, gives up its greedy ways.


No, the reason Israel is shelled by rockets is because Palestinians are evil and like to murder civilians.

And it is very easy to stop the rockets. All it takes is a large bombing campaign from the Israeli Air Force and the Palestinians pipe down and stop trying to murder people for awhile.

Israel is hardly greedy or expansionist. They merely refuse to allow the Palestinians to murder Israeli civilians.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
The only reason the Holy Land is spotlighted to day is because of the monotheistic faiths that grew out of the Abrahamic heritage.


More specifically, it is because Muslims like to steal other religions' holy sites.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
Arabs was not the cause of the Holocaust against European Jews, so why should they have to be displaced, demonized, live under apartheid conditions, fenced off, lacking freedom IN THEIR OWN LAND!?!?!


There is no apartheid in Israel. You should stop with such vile anti-Semitism. It only discredits you.

But the answer is because it isn't their own land. That land belongs to Israel.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 11:19 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Native Palestinians are not free to live wherever they want in Palestine.


Were they to try making peace though, they could have their own state based on land east of the Separation Fence.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 11:26 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.


Since the West Bank is Israel's ancient homeland, I can see why the Israelis would dearly love to claim it. However, they are realistically only going to claim what is west of the Separation Fence.

All Israel does is prevent Palestinians from murdering innocent people. That is hardly a violation of their rights.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 11:31 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Advocate wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.


Really? Where are they written? What are they?


For one, religious and minority rights in Palestine are stipulated in UN Resolution 181. The Right of Return for the war refugees in Palestine is written in UN Resolution 194, and is reiterated in UN Resolution 242.


General Assembly resolutions are anti-Semitic and have no legal force behind them.

The Palestinians violate 242 just as much as Israel does.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 11:34 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
"UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992


General Assembly resolutions are anti-Semitic and have no validity.

Arabs and Muslims violate Security Council resolutions just as much as Israel does.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2013 12:20 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
When the US was hit on 9/11 the Israeli settlers applauded ecstatically..... they were enraptured seeing the tragedy which lost close to 3000 souls. In the minds of the Israeli settlers, the US did not go far enough in helping them steal more and more land from the Palestinians and they should have been punished.


No land is being stolen from the Palestinians.

Any settlers who cheered 9/11, did so because they are horrified at all the hateful lies spewed by American anti-Semites, and they wrongly believed that such anti-Semites speak for all Americans.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
Many in the Arab community were in seventh heaven also but for different reasons.


Yes. The reason is because Arabs and Muslims are evil and like to massacre civilians.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
The Arab community to a man blame the US for its bias/unbalanced policies with respect to the Israeli vs Palestinian conflict.


Coming less than a year after the US helped negotiate an Israeli offer to the Palestinians of: 100% of the Gaza strip, 97% of the West Bank (in one contiguous block), and East Jerusalem as their capital???

No. Arabs just like murdering civilians.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
The US is a hypocrite....consistently spouting democracy and fair play, while turning a deaf ear to the apartheid conditions in the West Bank!


Spewing anti-Semitism like that only discredits you.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
I can very well understand the Muslims delight in seeing their perceived enemy, the US hit with such a tragedy,


Yes. It is pretty straightforward that Muslims like murdering civilians for the fun of it.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
but for the love of me I cannot understand the fanatical Israeli settlers who could not build and continue building without monies from the US taxpayer.


It's easy. They look at all the cruelty and hate that anti-Semites send their way, and they wrongly think that such anti-Semites speak for America.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
It is difficult to explain to you how strongly I feel against these religious nutcases who use their Faith to help them in their thieving ways, screaming "Don't you see, God gave us this land!"


Hardly thieving. Israel is the legitimate owner of the land after all.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
Advocate wrote:
You don't mention the resolutions ignored by the Pals.


The Palestinians do not possess an army.


That does not make it OK for the Palestinians to ignore Security Council resolutions, or make it OK for the Palestinians to run around trying to murder innocent people.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
They do not have a powerful nation like the US defending them, taking their side against the aggressively land stealing Israel.


Israel isn't stealing anything. They are the rightful owners.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
The Palestinians' crimes are not considered as grievously by the international community as those belonging to the Israelis.


Only anti-Semites are so blasé about the murder of innocent Israelis. You shouldn't pretend that anti-Semites speak for the international community.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
For every Israeli killed one can say 20 or more Palestinians are killed.


Correction: For every innocent person murdered by a Palestinian, 20 or more Palestinian murderers are killed in justified self defense before they can carry out their crimes.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
The Israelis are stealing Palestinian land


No they aren't.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
and when the IdF enter en masse they often steal Palestinian money, which was reported in a documentary I saw recently.


Anti-Semitic propaganda no doubt.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2013 01:57 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Native Palestinians are not free to live wherever they want in Palestine.


Were they to try making peace though, they could have their own state based on land east of the Separation Fence.


They are trying to make peace, just not on the Zionists’ conditions which violate the Palestinians' rights.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2013 01:58 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.


Since the West Bank is Israel's ancient homeland, I can see why the Israelis would dearly love to claim it. However, they are realistically only going to claim what is west of the Separation Fence.

All Israel does is prevent Palestinians from murdering innocent people. That is hardly a violation of their rights.

Nonsense, Israel’s “homeland” dates to early 1948. This, of course, is irrelevant to the fact that the state of Israel exists in violation of the rights of Palestinian peoples some of whom violently react to this oppression.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2013 01:59 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Advocate wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.


Really? Where are they written? What are they?


For one, religious and minority rights in Palestine are stipulated in UN Resolution 181. The Right of Return for the war refugees in Palestine is written in UN Resolution 194, and is reiterated in UN Resolution 242.


General Assembly resolutions are anti-Semitic and have no legal force behind them.

The Palestinians violate 242 just as much as Israel does.


More nonsense, the state of Israel points to UN General Assembly Resolution 181 as a foundational legal document, and UN General Assembly Resolution 273 as its UN membership document.

The claim of no legal force in regard to UN General Assembly resolutions is merely a pathetic rationalization for the Zionists’ cherry picking of the UN resolutions convenient to them to abide by.

Tu quoque arguments do not negate the fact that Israel violates UN Resolution 242, and seeing as how it it’s the greater offender, and has the upper hand in the conflict has a greater accountability for those violations.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 5 Apr, 2013 09:37 am
@InfraBlue,
Are you effectively saying that Israel should ignore the thousands of attacks on it by the Pals and others in the Arab world? No country in Israel's shoes would do something different.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 5 Apr, 2013 11:51 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Are you effectively saying that Israel should ignore the thousands of attacks on it by the Pals and others in the Arab world? No country in Israel's shoes would do something different.


No, the Zionists shouldn't ignore those attacks, they should take those attacks for what they are, reactions to their oppression of the Palestinian peoples, and redress that wrong that they've perpetrated against the Palestinian peoples.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 12:04 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Native Palestinians are not free to live wherever they want in Palestine.


Were they to try making peace though, they could have their own state based on land east of the Separation Fence.


They are trying to make peace,


No, when Palestinians run around trying to murder innocent people, they are not trying to make peace.



InfraBlue wrote:
just not on the Zionists’ conditions which violate the Palestinians' rights.


The only thing Israel is doing is preventing the Palestinians from murdering innocent people. That does not in any way violate their rights.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 12:05 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.


Since the West Bank is Israel's ancient homeland, I can see why the Israelis would dearly love to claim it. However, they are realistically only going to claim what is west of the Separation Fence.

All Israel does is prevent Palestinians from murdering innocent people. That is hardly a violation of their rights.


Nonsense, Israel’s “homeland” dates to early 1948.


When you deny history this way, you invalidate all of your arguments.

Israel's homeland dates from the dawn of the Iron Age.



InfraBlue wrote:
This, of course, is irrelevant to the fact that the state of Israel exists in violation of the rights of Palestinian peoples some of whom violently react to this oppression.


Telling a Palestinian that they aren't allowed to run around murdering innocent people is hardly oppression or a violation of their rights.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 12:06 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Advocate wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.


Really? Where are they written? What are they?


For one, religious and minority rights in Palestine are stipulated in UN Resolution 181. The Right of Return for the war refugees in Palestine is written in UN Resolution 194, and is reiterated in UN Resolution 242.


General Assembly resolutions are anti-Semitic and have no legal force behind them.

The Palestinians violate 242 just as much as Israel does.


More nonsense, the state of Israel points to UN General Assembly Resolution 181 as a foundational legal document, and UN General Assembly Resolution 273 as its UN membership document.

The claim of no legal force in regard to UN General Assembly resolutions is merely a pathetic rationalization for the Zionists’ cherry picking of the UN resolutions convenient to them to abide by.


That the resolutions of the General Assembly have no legal force, is a fact. And it is also a fact that they are merely a bunch of anti-Semitic rhetoric couched in legal language.



InfraBlue wrote:
Tu quoque arguments do not negate the fact that Israel violates UN Resolution 242, and seeing as how it it’s the greater offender, and has the upper hand in the conflict has a greater accountability for those violations.


Israel is not in any way a greater offender.

And no, the Arab and Palestinian violations of 242 count just as much as any Israeli violations.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 12:06 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Are you effectively saying that Israel should ignore the thousands of attacks on it by the Pals and others in the Arab world? No country in Israel's shoes would do something different.


No, the Zionists shouldn't ignore those attacks, they should take those attacks for what they are, reactions to their oppression of the Palestinian peoples, and redress that wrong that they've perpetrated against the Palestinian peoples.


The Palestinians are not being oppressed. They are merely being prevented from murdering innocent people, and rightly so.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 03:47 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
No, the Zionists shouldn't ignore those attacks, they should take those attacks for what they are, reactions to their oppression of the Palestinian peoples, and redress that wrong that they've perpetrated against the Palestinian peoples.


You're talking to a couple fascists who are quite comfortable with the notion of genocide. Oralboy has described the Palestinians as vermin, and Advocate is quite happy to go along with his description.

As you've pointed out before the far right's hatred of Jews in the 1930s has transformed into a hatred of all Moslems in the 21st Century.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:09 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Oralboy has described the Palestinians as vermin, and Advocate is quite happy to go along with his description.


Indeed! Oralloy, obviously, is a troubled individual and one doesn't take him seriously because his responsive posts are so maddeningly irritating that one doesn't want to read him at all. But after a fashion one understands what to expect from this poster who appear so intensely consumed with rage.

As you indicate, Izzy, the poster, Advocate, seem comfortable going along with Oralloy's ruthlessness towards the Palestinians. I suspect no matter how many articles are presented, disclosing the truth regarding Israel's cruelty, its ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, it's land stealing, Advocate will maintain, until the end of time, that Israel is the victim and the Palestinians as the land thieves and killers. Advocate does not acknowledge that Israel has a nuclear facility, that the US has given the tiny Zionist nation the military edge over all in that region, making sure modern Israel is the region's super power, and as well that they have the most advanced military weapons. Nor does Advocate concede that Israel has untold power in the congress of the US. Israel tell the US to jump and the United States of America asks "How high?"

This picture gives us a closer defining look at the true Advocate who in his own way might be just as brutally implacable as Oralloy.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:49 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
As you indicate, Izzy, the poster, Advocate, seem comfortable going along with Oralloy's ruthlessness towards the Palestinians. I suspect no matter how many articles are presented, disclosing the truth regarding Israel's cruelty,


The only thing Israel does is prevent the Palestinians from murdering innocent people.

That is neither ruthless nor cruel.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
its ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, it's land stealing,


Israel does nothing of the sort, and you know it.

In fact, the Palestinians would have had their own state by now had they only been willing to make peace instead of trying to murder innocent people all the time. And you know that as well.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
Advocate will maintain, until the end of time, that Israel is the victim and the Palestinians as the land thieves and killers.


Well, Israel is the one who made a fair peace offer. And the Palestinians are the ones who responded to the prospects of peace by stepping up their efforts to murder innocent people.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
Advocate does not acknowledge that Israel has a nuclear facility, that the US has given the tiny Zionist nation the military edge over all in that region, making sure modern Israel is the region's super power, and as well that they have the most advanced military weapons.


I suspect he might. Seems pretty straightforward and non-controversial.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
Nor does Advocate concede that Israel has untold power in the congress of the US. Israel tell the US to jump and the United States of America asks "How high?"


Perspective please. Israel's power does not begin to compare to that of the NRA or AARP.



Moment-in-Time wrote:
This picture gives us a closer defining look at the true Advocate who in his own way might be just as brutally implacable as Oralloy.


It is the facts that are brutally implacable.

The real tragedy is that the Israeli people have been willing to make peace. It's just not going to happen because no one is willing to make peace with them.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 03:09 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
You and the other Israel haters keep ascribing things to me that are untrue. For instance, I have never even been asked about my thoughts on Israel's nuclear facilities, much less denied their existence. Certainly, Israel has the facilities and the bomb. Being surrounded by over a billion enemies, Israel is definitely in need of them.

Also, I have never thought, or intimated, that the Pals are vermin. I think that all people are, overall, basically the same. It is their leadership, culture, religion, etc., that often leads them astray.

Were Israel so anti Pal, why is it that, in all their conflicts, only about 10,000 Pals have been killed? Israel could have easily killed millions. Israel has always been open to peace. But, importantly, the Pals to this day do not even recognize the nation of Israel. This is somewhat understandable because any Pal leader who does so will be forthwith assassinated.
 

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