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Israel Court Rejects Delay In Settlement Evacuation

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 26 Mar, 2013 12:27 pm
@Advocate,
Ever hear of Wounded Knee Or The Trail of Tears, A?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 01:33 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
No, it couldn't be that the Jews want all the land in the area. You are straining to denigrate the Jews and Israel. What is new?
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 02:04 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Native Americans are free to live wherever they want in the USA. But Jews seeking to live in the WB and Gaza are targeted for murder.


Native Palestinians are not free to live wherever they want in Palestine.

Jews seeking to live in the West Bank seek to clear of indigenous Palestinians the areas where they want to live and have the backing of the state of Israel and its military force. These actions, of course, have incited murderous reaction.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 02:09 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Native Americans are free to live wherever they want in the USA. But Jews seeking to live in the WB and Gaza are targeted for murder.


Native Palestinians are not free to live wherever they want in Palestine.

Jews seeking to live in the West Bank seek to clear of indigenous Palestinians the areas where they want to live and have the backing of the state of Israel and its military force. These actions, of course, have incited murderous reaction.


As you know, there is no country called Palestine. Thus, Jews should be free to live in the territory outside of Israel. Any who try risk being murdered. But 1.7 million Muslim Israelis can live in Israel as equal citizens.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 02:33 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
But 1.7 million Muslim Israelis can live in Israel as equal citizens.


They're hardly equal, they're not even second class. First you've got the Western European/American Ashkenazic Jews, second come the Russians, third it's darker skinned Ashkenazic Jews, fourth come the Sephardic Jews and in fifth place are the Israeli Arabs.

It's apartheid in all but name, and that's not including the Palestinians.

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About 20% of Israel's population are of Arab-Palestinian descent. They routinely complain that they are treated like second-class citizens.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21942020
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 02:38 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
As you know, there is no country called Palestine.


That does not negate the fact that the indigenous Palestinians are not free to live anywhere in Palestine.

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Thus, Jews should be free to live in the territory outside of Israel. Any who try risk being murdered.


The indigenous Palestinians should be free to live in the territory within what the world, through the UN, has called Palestine.

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But 1.7 million Muslim Israelis can live in Israel as equal citizens.


They are not equal citizens in Israel. Israel is a state "for the Jews," and as such, the Palestinian population therein suffer from systematic discrimination as acknowledged by the state of Israel's own Orr Commission.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 07:51 pm
@InfraBlue,
You are repeating the same BS over and over again.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 08:08 pm
@Advocate,
How do you propose we find the truth, Advocate?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:14 pm
@Advocate,
It isn't BS that the indigenous Palestinians are not free to live anywhere in Palestine.

If the Jews should be free to live in the territory outside of Israel, why shouldn't the indigenous Palestinians be free to live anywhere in Palestine?

It isn't BS that the Palestinian population in Israel is systematically discriminated against as reported by Israel's Or Commission.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 04:19 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

How do you propose we find the truth, Advocate?


The same way that Advocate does, only get your information from slavishly pro-Israel media outlets, and ignore anythjing that portrays Israel as less than perfect.

For Advocate, truth is a very malleable concept.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 12:02 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

It isn't BS that the indigenous Palestinians are not free to live anywhere in Palestine.

If the Jews should be free to live in the territory outside of Israel, why shouldn't the indigenous Palestinians be free to live anywhere in Palestine?

It isn't BS that the Palestinian population in Israel is systematically discriminated against as reported by Israel's Or Commission.


As you know, Israel is a nation that can and will control its immigrants. The WB and Gaza is not a nation that can legally claim certain borders.

But you already knew this.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 01:47 pm
@Advocate,
The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2013 01:57 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.


Really? Where are they written? What are they?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2013 10:27 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

The Palestinians are a people within the lands that Israel claims and have rights that Israel violates.


Really? Where are they written? What are they?


For one, religious and minority rights in Palestine are stipulated in UN Resolution 181. The Right of Return for the war refugees in Palestine is written in UN Resolution 194, and is reiterated in UN Resolution 242.
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 1 Apr, 2013 02:05 pm
@InfraBlue,
The Pals are not war refugees. They abandoned their new country before any war started.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 01:40 pm
@Advocate,
Not according to those UN resolutions.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 03:10 pm
@InfraBlue,
To misquote Orwell, 'Some resolutions are less resolute than others.'

More's the ******* pity.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 03:42 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate, my fellow poster, I thought you might like to see the mind-blowing list of UN resolutions against Israel. I've just pulled this from my personal archives and thought you might/should look at it. Take your time as the list is very long......

'UN resolutions against Israel

"While G.W. Bush uses the fact that Saddam Hussein had not complied with UN resolutions as an excuse to launch his ``pre-emptive" war, here is a list of dozens of UN resolutions that Israel has not complied with. According to GW Bush logic the USA should start with Israel first since it is the only country that has violated each and every UN Resolution in modern history.

"UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992

• 1.) Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"

• 2.) Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"

•3.) Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"

•4.) Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"

5.) Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"

•6.) Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"

•7.) Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"

•8.) Resolution 248: "... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"

•9.) Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"

•10.) Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"

•11.) Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"

•12.) Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation""

•13.) Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"

• 14.) Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"

•15.) Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"

• 16.) Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"

• 17.) Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"

•18.) Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"

21.) Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"

•22.) Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"

•23.) Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"

• 24.) Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"

•25.) Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"

•26.) Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"

•27.) Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"

•28.) Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"

•29.) Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

•30) Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'

•31.) Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"

•32.) Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

•33.) Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"

• 34.) Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"

•35.) Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"

•36.) Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"

37.) Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"

•38.) Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"

•39.) Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

•40.) Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"

•41.) Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"

•42.) Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"

• 43.) Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"

•44.) Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"

•45.) Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"

•46.) Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"

•47.) Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"

48.) Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"

•49.) Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

•50.) Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"

•52.) Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters

•53.) Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"

•54.) Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops" 55. Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians

•55.) Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention

•56.) Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"

•57.) Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians

•58.) Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians

•59.) Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount

•60.) Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations

•61.) Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians"

Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 04:48 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
The resolutions are one-sided jokes. The Muslim countries pack a lot of weight with their oil and other wealth, not to mention the enormous size area and population wise.

You don't mention the resolutions ignored by the Pals.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 10:38 am
@Advocate,
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The resolutions are one-sided jokes.


Why am I not surprised your answer would be thus, Advocate?

Advocate wrote:
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The Muslim countries pack a lot of weight with their oil and other wealth, not to mention the enormous size area and population wise.


True, Arabs have oil and collectively at the UN they are heard; however, the Veto vote of the US drowns out the Muslim voices..... this is why the UN resolutions remaining on the record but having little impact on existing conditions. When the US was hit on 9/11 the Israeli settlers applauded ecstatically..... they were enraptured seeing the tragedy which lost close to 3000 souls. In the minds of the Israeli settlers, the US did not go far enough in helping them steal more and more land from the Palestinians and they should have been punished. Many in the Arab community were in seventh heaven also but for different reasons. The Arab community to a man blame the US for its bias/unbalanced policies with respect to the Israeli vs Palestinian conflict. The US is a hypocrite....consistently spouting democracy and fair play, while turning a deaf ear to the apartheid conditions in the West Bank! I can very well understand the Muslims delight in seeing their perceived enemy, the US hit with such a tragedy, but for the love of me I cannot understand the fanatical Israeli settlers who could not build and continue building without monies from the US taxpayer. It is difficult to explain to you how strongly I feel against these religious nutcases who use their Faith to help them in their thieving ways, screaming "Don't you see, God gave us this land!"

Advocate wrote:
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You don't mention the resolutions ignored by the Pals.


The Palestinians do not possess an army. They do not have a powerful nation like the US defending them, taking their side against the aggressively land stealing Israel. The Palestinians' crimes are not considered as grievously by the international community as those belonging to the Israelis. For every Israeli killed one can say 20 or more Palestinians are killed. Palestinians do not own tanks that will roll over Israelis (remember Rachel Corrie?) The Israelis are stealing Palestinian land and when the IdF enter en masse they often steal Palestinian money, which was reported in a documentary I saw recently. So, my fellow poster, Advocate, what do you expect Palestinians to do, throw a party and bake a cake for their enemy, the IDF/Israeli government?!

 

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