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The politics of hoodie wearing

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:16 pm
@Lash,
You've hit the nail on the head.

It is intentional.

Whenever it suits them, liberals refer to hispanics as "brown," and "people of color," but never "white." Now it suits them to refer to one hispanic as "white" and since you rightly called some on it they have to reflect the charge with mockery and sophistry.

Most liberals have found that throwing charges of racism around often has the effect of steering a debate in the directions they favor. It also serves by intimidating a certain degree of opposition to their arguments.

It's proven to be a powerful device and one they are not about to put away.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:23 pm
@parados,
Stepping further away from anything resembling pertinent... Towing your party line very dutifully.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:24 pm
@snood,
Agreed....except Zim's obvious mental stuff related to his obsession with wanting to be a cop.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:26 pm
I've been quiet re your take on white and color, Lash.

I've been around the block on race, having to check people's race when I was a hospital admissions clerk at eighteen, 1960. Why they charted that I had no clue, that was part of my then new job, that was on the form we typed, usually in a hurry. Caucasian, Negro, Oriental, and then I start to forget, a word for native american, maybe it was Indian, and, I think, Other. It was of course a crap shoot, a phrase I had just recently learned.

I've been watching you pillorize Parados for distinguishing race (a construct at best re genetics and much now dismissed, but with historic import re usage, well described academically, and never mind history, still in play) and ethnicity. He tries to tell you about this and you lambast him.
You are ascribing weird views to Parados, who knows more about all that categorizing than you do.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:30 pm
Whatever Lash, Finn....

Believe me or not - I don't give a shyt WHAT anyone labels Zimmerman. It affects the driving issues of this case not one whit. He's appears to be someone who focused a lot of negative attention on young black men. He killed a young black man moments after he spoke a racial epithet against black people.

Y'all can circle jerk about whether or not whoever wants him to be called whatever for whatever motive.

I think its about as extraneous to anything important about this case as something could be.

Lash
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:35 pm
@ossobuco,
You've been watching Parados and I disagree...pretty equally so. Perhaps your personal feelings about either of us or your predilection to agree with his politics lead you to see me as aggressor. I think if you read back to analyze, you'll see with less bias.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:38 pm
@snood,
True.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:39 pm
@snood,
Just as you think that the Stand Your Ground law is an important offshoot of what happened to Trayvon - and I do as well - I also feel the dirty game being played about Zimmerman's race is important.

But, I'm interested in other issues as well. I read the SYG. I'm hoping it is no defense for Z.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 10:50 pm
@Lash,
I like both of you - predelictions. You are the one who seems to have not heard of the concept of race and who gets to be what in that rigamarole. You have a huge bias that Parados - well, I'd have to look back to see all the things you accuse him of for just explaining the difference between race and ethnicity.

I don't see you as the aggressor, I just see you as wrongly going off on some tangent that Zimmerman is not actually white re his skin, and not getting the mores of what is considered race. I don't give a **** myself, but I don't like watching you plow into Parados for explaining all that to you.


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roger
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 11:55 pm
@Lash,
I think the law's use of the word 'reasonable' doesn't leave him much to stand upon.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 02:07 am
@Lash,
You are the only one here who i see playing a game about Zimmerman's race.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 04:15 am
@hawkeye10,
DAVID wrote:
The idea that just b4 the police arrive on the scene because HE CALLED THEM,
and KNOWS that thay r a few seconds away (possibly, maybe, under their distant observation),
will choose to gratuitously murder a total stranger is beyond absurd.
hawkeye10 wrote:
Yep, which is why we can know that this black kid almost certainly decided
to take out his bad mood on Mr Zimmerman, a move that turned out to be a BIG mistake.
Yes; his last one.
The rest of us r safer for it.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 04:55 am
@aidan,
aidan wrote:
Zimmerman acted in such a way as to precipitate a confrontation that never needed to occur in the first place and when it didn't progress according to how he had seen or planned it in his mind's eye and he thought he was losing control of the situation he acted impulsively and violently resulting in the death of an innocent and unarmed young man who was minding his own business in his own neighborhood and doing a favor for his brother by bringing him a snack.
I don 't believe that there is evidence
to support the existence of such facts.
All Mr. Z did was follow him; there is nothing morally nor legally rong with that.
If there were burglaries in my naborhood,
then I 'd approve of my nabors keeping a sharp eye on the area,
for defense thereof. If Z was doing that, its a good thing.


aidan wrote:
This is the aftermath (that goes beyond politics in my mind).
It does not go beyond a certain political mindset
that wants to capitalize on it.




aidan wrote:
(This is a picture of Trayvon's mother, father, and brother in the aftermath of his gratuitous murder).

How politically correct is this David?
To show blacks as victims of whites is 1OO% politically correct.
To show whites as victims of blacks is deemed racist.


aidan wrote:
How many families like this do you need or want to see before you take guns out of the hands of people
who would use them as power against others who are just minding their own business?
Because the right of self defense is eternally immutable, I 'd never do that.
Obviously, anyone who wishes to re-arm can DO it.
Guns were made by hand b4 the birth of Christopher Columbus,
without electric tools; its much easier n faster now. Prohibitions r futile.
That 's Y anyone who wants marijuana or heroin can get it,
despite all the billions of dollars wasted on trying to enforce
those prohibitions for HOW MANY decades?????
Did the Prohibition of the 1920s teach us nothing?????
The real weapon is the mind of man; the bom, knife or gun
is only its outward manifestation.
Incidentally, Rebecca: robbing people of their guns can be a quick way to get killed.




aidan wrote:
This guy shouldn't have been put in charge of anyone's safety. I wouldn't be surprised if he was more excited by being a part of the whole thing because the police were coming and thought to himself - 'If I don't act quickly and subdue this kid - I won't be the hero in this scenario'.
U think that Z became a HERO ?
or that he thawt that he 'd be a hero, IF he had a bloody corpse when the police arrived???



aidan wrote:
Why do you expect rational thought and behavior from someone who goes looking for trouble
over and over again - as he has proven himself to have done ?
He did not prove that, nor did he show any evidence of being irrational.
If he 'd seemed irrational, he 'd have been examined by a psychiatrist.
My impression is that the trouble for which he was looking
was related to burglary. That is not bad.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 05:15 am
@aidan,
aidan wrote:
Interesting you say that David - when we lived in the US, I used to tell my interracial son (caucasian/african american) to be polite and cooperative with any police officer who stopped him to avoid exactly this sort of outcome through any confusion or misunderstanding.
But I know I was dealing with the issue as a double standard because any cop who stopped me (a white woman) without due cause - I feel and have always felt that I don't have to be particularly cowed or polite or compliant until they tell me what the hell it is they want.
Well, its wise not to provoke a fight.




aidan wrote:
So, how do you know that Trayvon could have avoided his violent and unnecessary death by simply being polite?
I 've always found that to be ez.
Unless 1 of the parties is in a state of acutely bad mental health,
leaving a situation without violence, with reasonable diplomacy is not hard.




aidan wrote:
And why should anyone have to justify walking in their own neighborhood? If someone came up to me and asked me what I was doing as I walked around my parents' neighborhood, I'd say, 'What's it to you - I'm taking a walk - mind your own business.'
I know that I'd not feel inclined to be polite to someone who was being nosy or bossy or intrusive.
Well, u will admit that its more polite
than repeatedly slamming his head against the sidewalk??




aidan wrote:
This man, Zimmerman was seeking confrontation. He had a chip on his shoulder.
It looks like Martin knocked it off.




aidan wrote:
It's obvious from his own words. I'm not even sure if it matters whether or not he was racist himself,
or that anyone believes this whole thing escalated because of the race of the boy involved.
I think it was more due to the thirst for power and authority this hotheaded loser displayed.
He was constantly inserting himself into these sorts of situations - looking for a fight
and an excuse to exercize authority on the streets.
He had no authority, but everyone has the right of free speech.



aidan wrote:
This boy stumbled into the wrong person - not the other way around.
From behind, according to Mr. Z.





David


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parados
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 06:50 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Stepping further away from anything resembling pertinent... Towing your party line very dutifully.

Your ignorance continues Lash.

You don't know the difference between race and ethnicity.
You don't know the the phrase is "toeing the line"

The only one toeing any line is you Lash. The line of ignorance that you seem to want to thrust upon all of us. There is no party line to claim Zimmerman is white. There is fact and then there is your denial of fact. Do I think Zimmerman's race needs to be mentioned all the time? No. However I see no reason to argue he isn't something when he actually is. You are the one that came here and argued he isn't white which is a denial of fact. If you hadn't been so stupid and so willing to argue YOUR party line which is to DENY facts, I never would have mentioned Zimmerman's race.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 11:58 am
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-4-2012/racist-time-out
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 12:06 pm
@snood,
Have you heard the tape on which he allegedly speaks the racial epithet?

I ask because, I haven't and if you have a link to it I would be appreciative. If this allegation is provable then it is important evidence.

There has been so much misinformation being spread about this incident that I'm afraid I'm not going to accept the allegation based on someone saying they heard someone say that they heard...

You can't even necessarily believe what you hear.

NBC made the laughable excuse that their doctoring of the 911 recording was due to production process problems...yeah the problem is that they had a rampant partisan with zero ethics employeeed to paticipate in their production process.

I have to wonder why it's so darn important that the incident be chalked up to white racism before all the facts can be considered and a competent judgment rendered?

Why does the Congressional Black Caucus think it is necessary for congress to officially resolve that this was a case of racial bias? How does this make any sense other than political grandstanding?
snood
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 12:07 pm
@FreeDuck,
Funny stuff, Duck. Stewart is just too smart for a lot of people.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 12:13 pm
@snood,
Yeah, he hit the nail on the head with that one, and made me laugh out loud in the process.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 12:15 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Have you heard the tape on which he allegedly speaks the racial epithet?

I ask because, I haven't and if you have a link to it I would be appreciative. If this allegation is provable then it is important evidence.

There has been so much misinformation being spread about this incident that I'm afraid I'm not going to accept the allegation based on someone saying they heard someone say that they heard...

You can't even necessarily believe what you hear.

NBC made the laughable excuse that their doctoring of the 911 recording was due to production process problems...yeah the problem is that they had a rampant partisan with zero ethics employeeed to paticipate in their production process.

I have to wonder why it's so darn important that the incident be chalked up to white racism before all the facts can be considered and a competent judgment rendered?

Why does the Congressional Black Caucus think it is necessary for congress to officially resolve that this was a case of racial bias? How does this make any sense other than political grandstanding?

I'm not going to look it up for you - a simple google search will net the recording for you. But I won't be suprised if you hear the recording and still doubt Zimmerman had racial motivation.
The only reason race is relevant to this case is because of the historic tendency of blacks not getting the benefit of any doubt from the justice system. But I won't be shocked if you don't acknowledge that fact about American justice in history, or its possible relevance in this case.

I've given up on you ever seeing anything from black people's point of view. Being able to do that - see things from another's shoes - is pretty much the definition of empathy.

You probably have many other gifts, but that ain't one of 'em.
 

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