Assuming, for the sake of argument,
that he said that, there remains no evidence that he later
initiated a physical battle with decedent
Nor is there any evidence that Trayvon initiated a confrontation with Zimmerman.
of them shud be criminally prosecuted.
Your implication that he did is SPECULATIVE, David, one of your favorite words.
Yes, indeed, because there is a significant difference in principle
between pointing out known facts (or reasoning) as distinct from guessing
. Get the idea ??
Zimmerman had the gun, the racist mind set, the racist invective on the 911 call,
He was the one out looking for trouble,
with a gun,
He has as much right to that as to a Bible or to the NY Times.
in violation of the rules under which the neighborhood watch was created,
Maybe the watchmen
will discipline him, but that is irrelevant to homicide.
patrolling in violation of the rules under which it was established
Maybe it coud be possible
that thay will throw him out of the watch.
(and give me no **** about stand your ground trumping that--he was doing what he should not have been).
He has the right to drive thru his naborhood
and the Constitutional right to speak to anyone that he sees there.
He had that right before the Stand Your Ground Statute was enacted.
He still has that right, if he still lives there.
Trayvon was the one who'd gone to the store to get his brother an iced tea. He was the one with the Skittles.
He was the one talking to his girlfriend on his cellphone. He was not the one being stalked.
It was attributed to him that he became violent,
attacking Mr. Z. If u were there looking, then u know whether that is true or not.
I was not there.
You're espousing a vigilante society, David,
one where someone's unsubstantiated story is all he needs to get
away with murder.
The burden of proof has always been
and remains on the prosecution
, beyond any reasonable doubt.
And to have you defend with kneejerk ferocity
his right to kill someone who wasn't doing anything wrong.
Unlike u, I 'm unwilling to dismiss out-of-hand,
the allegation that HE
attacked Mr. Z, as he sat in his car,
after the initial confrontation. The police accepted that.
Thay saw the wounds on both of them. It seems plausible to me.
How much attention woud this case get if Trayvon were a white???
You are advocating unchecked violence in the name of some supposed right of self defense
U question the existence of the right of self defense????
If we don't have THAT
right, then surely we don 't have ANY
as all other rights are trivial
, relative to the right to defend your life n property.
For instance, the right to a good seat on a public bus for a few minutes
is worth next to nothing
to the right of that same person
to defend himself or herself from being torn apart in predatory violence.
( If in doubt on that point, just ask that person about it. )
MontereyJack wrote:O, yes, of course; OBVIOUSLY.
which in your mind seems to outweigh any other right that exists,
That right is existential and more fundamental than any other right
possibly can be
like the right to be safe and secure in their person.
That 's the reason that people carry defensive guns.
Point out to me in the Constitution precisely where
this supreme right to self defense is spelled out.
The 2nd Amendment, the 9th Amendment, the 1Oth Amendment, the 14th Amendment; maybe some others.
I 'll give it some thawt, but the same idea need not be set forth a whole lot of times.
No implied right. You originalists don't believe in those.
as long as the Founders actally DID
imply it, that 's enuf.
MontereyJack wrote:U faker!!!
The Founding Fathers would be appalled at the breakdown
in civilized society you advocate.
U pretend to be historically well informed.
If u really were informed, then u 'd know that the Founders
did not even accept the idea of a public police force
and that none existed in the USA, nor in England, until
century. Traditionally, everyone was expected
to take care of himself personally and Individually. Some of the Colonies
had mandatory gun controls REQUIRING
that people be well armed
when going to Church or to work. I guess thay lost too many Christians to bears and Indians.