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Go on a camp out not go on a camp

 
 
Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 08:41 pm
Why do we say "go on a camp out" and not "go on a camp" like we say "go on a picnic" Please advise.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 08:46 pm
@stephensmeghan,
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/campout

because it is a campout / camp-out we are participating in, not a camp we are attending
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 08:20 am
@stephensmeghan,

We don't say that, not in this part of the world at least.

Americans are fond of adding prepositions where none were needed before.

"Cookout" makes sense, because cooking is normally an indoor activity. "Camp-out" however makes no sense to me, because camping is already an outdoor activity.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 09:26 am
@McTag,
Camp-outs are usually group events here (in Canada).

Slightly different meaning from going camping, which is usually more of an independent/one family sort of thing.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 10:38 am
@ehBeth,

Well that's interesting. I wonder what JTT will make of this?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 10:42 am
@McTag,
from the M-W link above

Quote:
camp·out noun \ˈkamp-ˌau̇t\

Definition of CAMPOUT
: an occasion on which a group camps out

Examples of CAMPOUT
our annual campout in Vermont

First Known Use of CAMPOUT
1879



I usually think of it in relation to Scouting, but it's used for many types of groups.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 11:06 am
Additionally, and not sure if this is just me, going on a campout has more of a connotation of taking backpacks and gear and trekking somewhere and then setting up tents and camping.

It's a little more wild and outdoorsy.

While "going to a camp" or "going camping," is more like a campsite (showers, etc) or even cabins. You go to a place, which is a camp.

Where as going on a campout is going out in the wilderness, with your gear.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 11:16 am
@sozobe,
My view of it is almost the opposite.

I think it is partly a regional thing - depends on whether the place with cabins is called a camp or cottage.

Camping here is the wild outdoorsy thing.
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 11:18 am
@ehBeth,
What about like summer camps?

Sozlet's going to one this year that's all cabins. But it's a camp.
Ceili
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 11:29 am
In alberta and bc, we don`t have cottages, we have cabins (if were lucky Wink), that is definitely an eastern thing.
When we go on a campout, it`s a group thing, like ehbeth said.
A campground is where you go camping. Boondocking is camping off grid in the back country. A camp is either a kids summer/bible camp etc. or when you go off to work in a place like Ft. McMurray or northern diamond mines and so on, places you fly in and work for a few weeks at a time.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 12:21 pm
@sozobe,
We wouldn't say that someone was going camping if they were at a summer camp. Though they could go camping/go on a camping trip as a part of being at summer camp.


(kids send postcards from summer camp telling their parents that the weekend activity is ... going camping)
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 02:50 am

You go to a camp and then go out camping? What if you're camp already?

Camp guys camp from camp?

Truly, the language is not extensive enough to encompass all this strangeness.
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2012 05:08 am
@McTag,

Ernie Bilko's camp was Fort Baxter, Kansas.
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