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Reality from the view point of theists

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 12:28 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I think that the God concept is much more accepted as being possible than any other myth story I can make up, because your unconscious mind has been programed to accept it at a very young age.


I understand that is what you think.

Now can you give me some idea of why that matters...and what it means to whatever point you are actually trying to make.

It also would be nice if you give me some idea of what the point you are trying to make....IS.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 12:41 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I really am not trying to make any point other than we can think of some crazy possibilities.

We can think of silly things like there could be a different God for everything. A God for liquids, A God for solids, A God for Gases and so on. We can make believe anything we do not understand and however we would like to form our questions.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 01:14 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I really am not trying to make any point other than we can think of some crazy possibilities.


Okay, I now understand you are not trying to make a point; and I agree completely that we can think of some crazy possibilities.

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We can think of silly things like there could be a different God for everything. A God for liquids, A God for solids, A God for Gases and so on.


We certainly can think of things like that…but I am not sure why that would be “silly.” Perhaps there are no gods; perhaps there is a single GOD; perhaps there are many, many gods. None of those possibilities seems especially "silly" to me. They are just possibilities.


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We can make believe anything we do not understand and however we would like to form our questions.


That is another one of those sentences that does not make any sense to me. I am not sure of what you were trying to say here.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 01:38 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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That is another one of those sentences that does not make any sense to me. I am not sure of what you were trying to say here.


That is exactly how I feel when people start talking about things we have no evidence for. Do not get me wrong, if people do have something that they find interesting, I do not see any thing wrong with them questioning it.

I would like to hear from theist on how they separate reality from make believe.

It seems so far that only atheist and agnostics have shown an interest in somewhat explaining a difference between the two. I guess reality has very little importance to some theist.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 01:49 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
It seems so far that only atheist and agnostics have shown an interest in somewhat explaining a difference between the two. I guess reality has very little importance to some theist.


People know when you're baiting them, that's why they don't respond.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 01:52 pm
@izzythepush,
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People know when you're baiting them, that's why they don't respond.


If that is true and I am studying human behavior what makes you so sure that you have not been baited?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 02:04 pm
@reasoning logic,
You're studying human behaviour? You've not paid any money out have you? I'd demand a refund.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 02:04 pm
@aidan,
aidan wrote:
Call it whatever you want.
Nature?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 02:24 pm
@izzythepush,
Izzy what criteria do you use to separate reality from make believe?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 02:58 pm
@reasoning logic,
Normally I would class your videos as make believe.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 03:08 pm
@izzythepush,
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Normally I would class your videos as make believe.


Yes many people who speak in the videos that I share are speaking in absolutes so I would have to agree with you there but not all of what I share is make believe.

Again what is the criteria you use in your everyday life, "when I am not around" to be sure what you are talking about is reality and not something that you are understanding incorrectly?

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 03:10 pm
@reasoning logic,
I use the standard criteria, the one normal people use.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 03:13 pm
@izzythepush,
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I use the standard criteria, the one normal people use.


Is this the same one that theist use also and if so which one is this you are speaking of.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 03:16 pm
@reasoning logic,
RL, you asked Izzy:

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Izzy what criteria do you use to separate reality from make believe?



You know, RL….that actually is an interesting question to ask of anyone. There is a problem with it, however, that I would like to present for consideration.

Take the specific question of: Is there life after death?

Obviously there are (at least) two answers: Either there is…or there is not.

One of those answers is “the reality”…the other is not, or to use your term, it is “make-believe.”

But how could one possible determine which is “reality” and which is “make-believe?”

The “reality” as I see it…is that we do not know. We do not know that there is life after death…and we do not know that there is nothing that follows death--and we know that both are possible answers to the question.

There seems, it is worth noting, that there is absolutely no way to determine which answer is the correct one.

So the only position that truly separates “reality” from “make-believe” on that question is not found in “yes, there is” or “no, there is not”, but rather in “we do not know and there appears to be no way to find out.”

That means there are actually two “realities.” There is the (unknown) “reality” of what actually IS…and there is the (known) reality of “We do not know and apparently cannot find out.”

This may apply in kind to other problems of this sort.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 03:19 pm
@reasoning logic,
No, I use the Ronco reality o-matic. Just point it at something, green light real, red light hot.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 04:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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This may apply in kind to other problems of this sort.


You do seem to be correct in what you are saying frank. Do you think that it would be practical for someone with this knowledge to be praying to a God?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 04:18 pm
@izzythepush,
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No, I use the Ronco reality o-matic. Just point it at something, green light real, red light hot.


Maybe I am wrong but I think that all of us get reality wrong once in a while. Why not share how you go about determining things to be true or not.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 06:36 pm
@reasoning logic,
I don't tend to bother with such things, I just get on with it. Maybe if you stopped all this navel gazing you might actually accomplish something.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 06:44 pm
@izzythepush,
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I don't tend to bother with such things

Yes I understand that many people do not bother trying to get reality correct. that is why we have UFO's, gods, big foots and so forth.


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navel gazing you might actually accomplish something.

Is that similar to ball licking?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2012 06:47 pm
@reasoning logic,
Well you seem to obsess with both, so there probably is a link.
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