JTT
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 01:01 pm
@tsarstepan,
Quote:
Frank. Please don't feed the trolls. Some people don't have the mental capacity to open up new threads so they can take their completely irrelevant nonsense elsewhere.


Now don`t that take all. Tsars thinks 10 million people dead at the hands of the US is irrelevant nonsense.

There actually is a number of threads for the evil perpetrated by the USA, Tsars, but sniveling little cowards like you won`t go anywhere near them.

Remember how Gracie schooled all you adults.

tsarstepan
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 01:03 pm
@JTT,
Considering it has ABSOLUTELY nothing at all to do with the 2012 election of Obama, yes. You need to learn how to make threads instead of trashing them. Oh right. If you made your own thread, it'd be utterly ignored and mostly empty other then your incessant rantings.
JTT
 
  0  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 01:21 pm
@tsarstepan,
Quote:
Considering it has ABSOLUTELY nothing at all to do with the 2012 election of Obama, yes.


Nothing to do with the election of Obama! He continued the war crimes, the terrorism started by Bush. In your mind ten million slaughtered is no big deal so what`s a million or so in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Who gives a **** about the ongoing crimes of Obama firing missiles upon families in Pakistan and elsewhere.

Who gives a **** about all the WMDs you assholes leave lying around for little children to play with.

Who gives a **** about all the land mines YOU are responsible for, left lying all over the planet that kill and maim people, that`s right, Tsars, PEOPLE every day that you sit on your fat ass worrying about a thread being wrecked.

Quote:
it'd be utterly ignored and mostly empty other then(sic) your incessant rantings.


Why do you go to such lengths to display your abysmal ignorance, T.

The threads you refer to, obviously have never visited, have so much information from mostly US sources that is so FACT based that not a person, not a one, has ever challenged it.

If it wasn`t fact based, cowardly types like you would be all over it, and me.
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Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 01:52 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
That's a joke and you're a joke, Frank. If you had any interest in actually, seriously discussing any issue you wouldn't totally evade the stark fact situations that have been placed squarely in front of your nose.

You have pulled this same sort of bullshit in every discussion I've seen you engage in. You have absolutely zero respect for honesty and the truth.

If you were the least bit serious, you would have read the articles and listened/watched the videos that illustrate, again, starkly, just what a vicious, totally uncaring piece of excrement Reagan [and his band of criminals] was.


Try to get back under control, JTT. Try not to "lose it" so easily.

The question we are dealing with is not whether Ronald Reagan was a "vicious, totally uncaring piece of excrement"...so stop pretending that it is.

We are dealing with my assertion that you comment about Reagan was hyperbole. Your comment was that Reagan was "one of the most vicious of war criminals/terrorists to ever walk the planet.”

That, JTT, is hyperbole.

I am being honest and honorable in this discussion, but you are allowing your apparent inability to control your emotions to cause you to think otherwise.

Get yourself under control…go back and look at my questions…and actually answer them. Then we can proceed. Or…if you cannot answer them without showing your arguments to be seriously faulty (which I think is the case)…continue with your tirade.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
"Tirade" is a good word for JTT. Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk

Here's the perfect definition of the word.
Quote:
Tirade - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...
Definition of TIRADE: a protracted speech usually marked by intemperate, vituperative, or harshly censorious language . See tirade defined for English-language learners.
JTT
 
  0  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
We are dealing with my assertion that you comment about Reagan was hyperbole. Your comment was that Reagan was "one of the most vicious of war criminals/terrorists to ever walk the planet.”

That, JTT, is hyperbole.


You are dealing with that extraneous bit of nonsense, Frank, in the same fashion that you seize on any extraneous bit of nonsense in all of your "discussions".

I put forward facts that showed that Reagan was indeed one of the most vicious of war criminals/terrorists to ever walk the planet.

You have shown, in spades, that you are seriously infected by the Paradosian bug or he is seriously affected by the Apisian bug or this is something that seriously affects the vast majority of US citizens.

JTT
 
  -1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:20 pm
@tsarstepan,
Aaaaaaaaahhhhh.

Is this about me correcting you for that silly advice you recently offered in a language thread, Tsars?
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Here's an interesting article from the NYT's on US energy production.

Quote:
U.S. to Be World’s Top Oil Producer in 5 Years, Report Says

Charlie Riedel/Associated Press
Increased oil production and new policies to improve energy efficiency mean that the United States will become “all but self-sufficient” in energy in about two decades, the International Energy Agency predicted.
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
Published: November 12, 2012

The United States will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s leading oil producer by about 2017 and will become a net oil exporter by 2030, according to a new report released on Monday by the International Energy Agency.

That increased oil production, combined with new American policies to improve energy efficiency, means that the United States will become “all but self-sufficient” in meeting its energy needs in about two decades — a “dramatic reversal of the trend” in most developed countries, the report says.

“The foundations of the global energy systems are shifting,” said Fatih Birol, chief economist at the Paris-based organization, which produces the annual World Energy Outlook, in an interview before the release. The agency, which advises industrialized nations on energy issues, had previously predicted that Saudi Arabia would be the leading producer until 2035.

The consequences are “potentially far reaching” for global energy markets and trade, the report said.

Mr. Birol noted, for example, that Middle Eastern oil once bound for the United States would probably be rerouted to China. American-mined coal, facing declining demand in its home market, is already heading to Europe and China instead.

There are several components of the sudden shift in the world’s energy supply, but the prime mover is a resurgence of oil and gas production in the United States, particularly the unlocking of new reserves of oil and gas found in shale rock. The widespread adoption of techniques such as hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling has made those reserves much more accessible, and in the case of natural gas, resulted in a vast glut that has sent prices plunging.


Think what that will mean for our economy? WOW!~
JTT
 
  0  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Think what that will mean for our economy? WOW!~


Maybe you might consider repaying all that you have stolen over the last 150 years.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Think instead what the increased use of coal globally means for the environment.
JTT
 
  0  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hi, CI. How's the coward doing?
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spendius
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Think what that will mean for our economy? WOW!~


Think what it will mean for the middle-east.
spendius
 
  0  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:38 pm
@spendius,
Go on ci. What will it mean? Give it your best shot.
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JTT
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:38 pm
@spendius,
@cicerone imposter,
Izzy: Think instead what the increased use of coal globally means for the environment.

Spendius: Think what it will mean for the middle-east.

Are you two daft?

cicerone imposter: Think what that will mean for our economy? WOW!~

There is only one country, only one people that are of any importance. Have you not received the message?
spendius
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 02:58 pm
@JTT,
I have JT. Veblen, in the book I recommended to you, says that it couldn't be helped. That there was no other possible outcome.

A bunch of European misfits, in one branch of the trade or other, finding itself on a land mass with not only unexampled and unexploited natural resources but European technology and finance to assist would be a macrocosmic version of a sod-buster winning the roll over lottery jackpot. A bit like Jed "JD" Clampett only without a scriptwriter worrying about any no-go zones.

And with a point to prove. Had to run around the bases instead of up and down the wicket as civilised sportsmen do. And ladies too lattery. Which can be quite amusing. A point upon which I can expand if I have the time.

Grotesque displays of wealth, unearned mostly, with absolutely no style.

Slam dunk!!

Think how little China and India will have to pay for oil when the US has its own.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 03:02 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5165400)
Quote:
We are dealing with my assertion that you comment about Reagan was hyperbole. Your comment was that Reagan was "one of the most vicious of war criminals/terrorists to ever walk the planet.”

That, JTT, is hyperbole.


Quote:
You are dealing with that extraneous bit of nonsense, Frank, in the same fashion that you seize on any extraneous bit of nonsense in all of your "discussions".


Perhaps you think that because you so often offer "extraneous bits of nonsense" to deal with.

You could have said that in your opinion, Ronald Reagan was a vicious war criminal. Instead, you chose to use the wording: "Reagan was one of the most vicious of war criminals/terrorists to ever walk the planet.”

That is hyperbole, JTT. I called it to your attention.

Calm down, JTT.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 03:10 pm
@izzythepush,
Those countries that rely on coal for fuel will not be changing their usage any time soon.
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JTT
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 03:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
And this impacts on your comment about Ronald Reagan in what way????


The most important quote pulled out of the short article [below] because Frank can't bring himself to read beyond the first few words of anything that causes him cognitive dissonance.

The resulting bloodshed [in Nicaragua] was perhaps the least covert of all CIA covert operations. President Reagan was perfectly candid about the goals-the second-poorest nation in the hemisphere was to be "pressured" until "they say 'uncle'."

And yet he has the temerity, or is it simple stupidity, to use the following as his signature line:

To acknowledge what you do not know – is a display of strength. To pretend you know what you truly don’'t – is a display of weakness.

Quote:

Nicaragua

from the book

The CIAs Greatest Hits

by Mark Zepezauer


FDR once remarked of Nicaragua's dictator, "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." So when a later Somoza (the son of our son of a bitch) was overthrown in 1979, we spared no effort until Nicaragua was ours again.

When President Carter saw that the younger Somoza's days were numbered, he tried to ease him out of power, unaware that retired CIA agents were providing him with further weaponry. Carter's plan was to keep Somoza's private army, the National Guard, in power, while Somoza escaped to enjoy his $900 million fortune.

Most Nicaraguans, having suffered 46 years of the Guard's unrelenting brutality, were not thrilled with that plan. When Somoza fell, so did his hated National Guard.

Many of the Guard were evacuated on US planes. We reassembled them, armed and supplied them, had them trained by Argentinean death squads and sent them back to harass the new regime. Because the Guard was so despised in Nicaragua, they were given a new name-the contras (an abbreviation of the Spanish word for counter-revolutionaries).

The resulting bloodshed was perhaps the least covert of all CIA covert operations. President Reagan was perfectly candid about the goals-the second-poorest nation in the hemisphere was to be "pressured" until "they say 'uncle'."

The methods became part of the public record too-though not intentionally-when the CIA's Freedom Fighters Manual was leaked to the press. It gave detailed instructions on assassination, sabotage, kidnapping, blackmail and the slaughter of civilians.

The US lavished military and financial aid on the contras, whom they used to terrorize rural Nicaragua. Since many peasants were delighted that the new government was providing them with teachers and doctors (for the first time ever), the contras particularly targeted those professionals.

The CIA mined harbors and blew up fuel tanks, then told the contras to claim credit. The agency flew supplies to the contras, attempted to assassinate the Nicaraguan leadership and pumped millions of dollars into opposition politicians. And, as in Chile, they made the economy "scream".

Finally, in 1989, after ten years of warfare- both economic and military-the Nicaraguans gave up and voted for the US-backed slate of candidates. If any of them wondered what would happen should they fail to do so, they only needed to look south to Panama, which had just been invaded by the US the month before.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Nicaragua_CIAHits.html
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 03:21 pm
@JTT,
JTT...

...apparently you do not understand hyperbole.

Reagan could be as evil as you apparently want to view him to be...and still not be one of the most vicious blah, blah, blah...ever to walk the planet Earth.

Try to engage your brain.

You wrote something...I commented on it. Now, instead of dealing with my comment, you are going ape.

Calm down. Deal with what I wrote.
JTT
 
  1  
Mon 12 Nov, 2012 03:23 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
When President Carter saw that the younger Somoza's days were numbered, he tried to ease him out of power, unaware that retired CIA agents were providing him with further weaponry.


And why, may I ask, weren't those retired CIA agents charged with acts of terrorism.

Why aren't all CIA agents who engage in these terrorist activities charged with any number of different crimes?

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