I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

. Because of the riff-raff and also the tight enforcement of the parking laws increasingly people are refusing to go downtown to do business....it is not a pleasant experience.

What on Earth makes you think you call call anyone else elitist?

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@FOUND SOUL,

R u asserting that Tom killed 2 persons ?

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Sorry Dave misread your post.
I thought you were asking what the better things were not why I post the way I do.
Generally the way I post reflects my own speech patterns.
'There's better things' may not be as gramatically correct as 'there are better things,'
but I would never say 'there're better things,' is doesn't sound right to my ears.
Chalk it down to dialectical variances.

I understand.

David

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

I'll be happy to give him a break when he has served his time.

that's how it works...

That sounds like u r saying
that u will offer him a hand to help him back up
AFTER he has already gotten up off the ground, not b4. Correct ?

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@firefly,

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The cyclist was hit from behind. Swift was also ticketed for careless driving.

The danger on the street that night was Swift. He was driving drunk. He killed someone. And he did't even stop his car to see how badly injured the man was.

If the man was cycling not lit up and in the middle of the night he was almost invisible to any driver sober or drunk until you are on top of him and if you had been in that car with a BAC of zero you could had likely found the man under your wheels also.

Second unless you are telling us the driver was an expert in trauma care he did the best thing possible by going at once to a phone and calling for help.

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@BillRM,

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The cyclist was hit from behind. Swift was also ticketed for careless driving.

The danger on the street that night was Swift. He was driving drunk. He killed someone.
And he did't even stop his car to see how badly injured the man was.

BillRM wrote:

If the man was cycling not lit up and in the middle of the night he was almost invisible to any driver sober or drunk until you are on top of him and if you had been in that car with a BAC of zero you could had likely found the man under your wheels also.

Second unless you are telling us the driver was an expert in trauma care he did the best thing possible by going at once to a phone and calling for help.

Well said, Bill! I think u put that perfectly,
except that "phone" shud be fone. Thank u.

Sadly, it coud be possible
that the people on this thread expressing unfriendly thawts
toward Tom might, in a similar accident, with NO alcohol involvement,
have similar results, for poor visibility. If your cell fone does not work,
or u lost it, or forgot to pay the bill, u can remain there n watch him
bleed, if u deem that the best thing to do, while he pleads for medical help.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

If I am wrong? Then fine...Show that. Sorry.. If so... Did I read he drank and drove for 2 years, I am certain I read that.

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@FOUND SOUL,

David is a lawyer, he likes arguing theoretical cases. You are right, he'd been driving drunk for 2 years, according to some of the posters who have personal knowledge of the case.

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

If I am wrong? Then fine...Show that. Sorry.. If so...
Did I read he drank and drove for 2 years, I am certain I read that.

I am not quite clear in regard to whether u have accused Tom
of killing 2 guys, or not. Will u clarify that, please ?

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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If your cell fone does not work,
or u lost it, or forgot to pay the bill, u can remain there n watch him
bleed, if u deem that the best thing to do, while he pleads for medical help.

That had seems to had been Firefly position obey the letter of the law even if it would mean watching someone die in front of you instead of summoning help.

Of course the fleeing charge in this case seems just the normal overcharging to force a plea deal.

If the driver did not have a working cell phone one would assume that the legal defense of necessity would apply for anyone leaving the scene of an accident in order to summon aid.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I can't speak for FS, but I think Thom only killed one person. I think this post explains why not a lot of people have any sympathy for him.
http://able2know.org/topic/182157-88#post-4905575

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@OmSigDAVID,

You know this is another example of taking a good idea as in punishing anyone for causing a death because of his or her driving under the influence and then removing all common sense from it.

Removing at the same time any need to show that the BAC level of the driver was the root cause of an accidental death and add to that the lowering of the BAC amount to the point that it cover more and more of the population.

I can in fact not wait until we get a private prison system firmly in place and their lobbies lobby for longer and longer sentences for more and more minor crimes.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

he did the best thing possible by going at once to a phone and calling for help.

do you have any information that he called for help for the cyclist? it's not in any of the records I can find.

If you have that information, please provide the reference.

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@ehBeth,

My my EhBeth playing the FIrelfy games it would seems the reports stated that he called at once from his home and report the accident and that is the same as calling for aid of the cyclist in my book if not your.

Instead he should had stay there with no medical training that any of us are aware of and watch the man die instead of reporting the accident and getting medical aid moving toward the scene.

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He didn't call for help, he called to report he had been in an accident. He wasn't sure what he hit.

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@ehBeth,

Bill twists the facts to fit his own particular position. Where most people would view his actions as fleeing the scene of the crime then having second thoughts, Bill sees it as running home as quickly as possible in order to make a phone call.

The facts have not come out, but I suspect he had a mobile on him, and he waited a bit before he made the phonecall on his landline.

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@EqualityFLSTPete,

One way or another his call got help on the way that would not had happen as soon as if he had stay on the scene without a working cell phone.

Now there are questions such as did he or did he not have a working cell phone that night and was the cyclist lit up or not.

However if seems nothing matter but his BAC level and that he let the scene and in any sane society it would matter how must or how little the driver BAC level factor into the accident occurring compare to other factors such as the cyclist not being lit up and if the only way to contact the authorities in a timely manner was to leave the scene or not.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Maybe they should have decided who the designated driver was before they started getting drunk and damn the consequences.
When I go out, if I take the car I stick to soft drinks, if I don't have the car I can drink. It's not rocket science.

Well, Izzy, in the fullest of sincerity: if someone borrows your car,
while u r out drinking and he gets drunk n what happened to Tom
happens to HIM, I hope that u will avoid incarceration of even 1 minute!
FREE Izzy!!! FREE Izzy!!! Let him GO!

He is a fine fellow, admirable in MANY respects !

David

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@EqualityFLSTPete,

EqualityFLSTPete wrote:

He didn't call for help, he called to report he had been in an accident.
He wasn't sure what he hit.

Well, Anthony, if Tom did not know
that his car had made contact with a living being (maybe some wind-blown debris??),
then does the law apply to him ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Nobody borrows my car. I have very low insurance premiums because nobody borrows my car.

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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

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