I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

it will deter Thom from killing anyone else for the duration of his sentence.

and I bet it works well...

Yeah, but r we being sadists about it??
Even tho he chose to drink n drive (allegedly),
it was still an ACCIDENT, not malicious.

I don't feel good about putting someone thru hell, Rocky.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

nope.

the rules of the game.

he won for a long time.

gotta pay the piper when you lose...

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@Adam4Adam,

Adam4Adam wrote:

Yes it will, it will get him off the street.
Thom has driven home drunk for the last two years,
he was just lucky before, not so much now.

If the goal is to get him off the street,
maybe it can be done more comfortably and less destrucively
than confining him behind bars. Maybe house arrest for a while??

1 guy was killed in the collision. Is it BETTER if make sure that BOTH
of them have their lives destroyed? I don't think it is.

In a situation of non-malice, like this,
is MERCY really a bad thing ?

David

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

nope.

the rules of the game.

he won for a long time.

gotta pay the piper when you lose...

That might prove to be the case, Rocky.
No one has denied that can happen,
but when someone falls (referring to Tom, here)
sometimes u might be willing to lend a hand to help him up.

If I were on his jury, with the allegations of this thread
presented in evidence, I 'd be inclined to give him a break.
"Go, and sin no more" (or at least be more careful).

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Instead of going to all the time and expense of electing police commissioners we could have more police on the streets. During the riots that's what people wanted, not elected commissioners.

Btw, I'm not saying anything about how you do things, it's your country after all, just that our government shouldn't start changing things without a proper mandate.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I'll be happy to give him a break when he has served his time.

that's how it works...

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@izzythepush,

Sorry Dave misread your post. I thought you were asking what the better things were not why I post the way I do. Generally the way I post reflects my own speech patterns. 'There's better things' may not be as gramatically correct as 'there are better things,' but I would never say 'there're better things,' is doesn't sound right to my ears. Chalk it down to dialectical variances.

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

I'll be happy to give him a break when he has served his time.

that's how it works...

Tell that to those who write laws making most sex crime punishments a life long sentence. Tell that to those who write into law mandatory minimums and long lists of factors which judges are not allowed to consider because they tend to argue for a lighter punishment. If you really want to practice justice then you have to go all in. Right now we do not do justice, the justice system does not work.

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@hawkeye10,

Agree we do not have a justice system worth it name when 9 out of 10 defendants does not even get the protection of a jury of his or her peers but are instead pressure into giving up that right by the practice of insanely overcharging someone so that the possible cost of going to a trial guilty or innocent is far too high for most to risk.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Agree we do not have a justice system worth it name when 9 out of 10 defendants does not even get the protection of a jury of his or her peers but are instead pressure into giving up that right by the practice of insanely overcharging someone so that the possible cost of going to a trial guilty or innocent is far too high for most to risk.

That is just one of many indicators that the system is deeply broken.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Even tho he chose to drink n drive (allegedly),
it was still an ACCIDENT, not malicious.

choosing to drink and drive is not an accident, it is a decision people make.

I think that by definition, it is a malicious act against the community.

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@ehBeth,

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think that by definition, it is a malicious act against the community.

Interesting idea however that does not justify placing those who do so in a lottery where an accidental death even if there is no showing that the BAC of the driver had anything to do with the accident occurring call for many years in prison.

If there is no indication that if the driver had have a BAC of 0.0 the accident would not had just as likely to had happen it seem kind of a pointless punishment.

Why do we not just take all drivers found with an over the limit BAC and randomly give one person in a hundred a long prison sentence as without some showing that the driver BAC was a significant factor in the death of the cyclist doing so is just as logical.

Footnote being a cyclist myself with ten of thousands of miles in night and day cycling it is my opinion that if the cyclist was cycling in a dark state IE with no lights showings that was far more likely to be the cause of his death then the BAC level of the driver that hit him.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
think that by definition, it is a malicious act against the community.

Interesting idea however that does not justify placing those who do so in a lottery where an accidental death even if there is no showing that the BAC of the driver had anything to do with the accident occurring call for many years in prison.

So is rolling around the streets at 2am on a bike pulling a cart without proper lighting....so it would be useful to know if Barry was doing this. I routinely see the homeless around my area making themselves a danger to the community with their reckless practices, but there is little will to confront them, I assume because of their claim of victim status.

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what a pompous pile of ****...

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@hawkeye10,

In my area the only advance in community safety re the homeless that I have seen is that we have finally gotten them off pan handling at I-5 off ramps and intersections. That was a problem for years. Not sure if this is related to an accident caused by one of them or rather a general running out of patience. Olympia has instituted pan handling free zones down town, which was very controversial, but that is related to them hurting the downtown economy not safety issues. My banker flat out told me that he will not lend to a business that wants to go downtown till Olympia solves the vagrants problem and also the parking problem. Because of the riff-raff and also the tight enforcement of the parking laws increasingly people are refusing to go downtown to do business....it is not a pleasant experience.

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@hawkeye10,

I saw one last week that at least has me giving props for ingenuity...he had replaced the front fork of his bike somehow with a shopping cart. It looked unsafe as hell as the cart is so long and shopping cart wheels are not designed to spin that fast or take that much abuse. Also steering has got to be a problem. I expect though that that it will be a cold day in hell before the cops impound his unsafe rig, him being homeless and all (AKA a VICTIM!)

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@hawkeye10,

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So is rolling around the streets at 2am on a bike pulling a cart without proper lighting....so it would be useful to know if Barry was doing this.

Useful to whom? The facts are known to the people who need to know them--the defense, the prosecutor, and the judge, as well as Barry Lancaster's family.

The cyclist was hit from behind. Swift was also ticketed for careless driving.

The danger on the street that night was Swift. He was driving drunk. He killed someone. And he did't even stop his car to see how badly injured the man was.

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@ehBeth,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Even tho he chose to drink n drive (allegedly),
it was still an ACCIDENT, not malicious.

ehBeth wrote:

choosing to drink and drive is not an accident, it is a decision people make.

Yes, it is NOT an accident, but it is not an effort to harm anyone, either.
It is an effort toward personal biochemical satisfaction.

ehBeth wrote:

I think that by definition, it is a malicious act against the community.

By WHICH definition, Beth?????
Where did u find that definition????
With all respect, if your analysis is accurate,
then there is no distinction in principle between what the Moslems did
on 9/11/1, or what Booth did to Lincoln, and what Tom Swift did,
but obviously, he did not desire to hurt anyone on the nite in question (referring to Tom, not to Booth).

In other words: if your analysis is accurate,
then there is no distinction between an act that is malicious and an act which is non-malicious.

Do u see my point, Beth???

David

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@firefly,

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So is rolling around the streets at 2am on a bike pulling a cart without proper lighting....
so it would be useful to know if Barry was doing this.

firefly wrote:

Useful to whom? The facts are known to the people who need to know them--the defense,
the prosecutor, and the judge, as well as Barry Lancaster's family.

Indeed?? Then we have no need of a trial????
Merely sentencing, based upon this purported knowledge??
I don't think so.

firefly wrote:

The cyclist was hit from behind.

How is this KNOWN??

firefly wrote:

Swift was also ticketed for careless driving.

Does that prove something??
Was the ticket issuer a witness to the alleged event?

firefly wrote:

The danger on the street that night was Swift.

Was Barry any danger, by his deeds on the nite in question?
With what degree of safety did he manage HIS vehicle?? I don't know that; do u?

firefly wrote:

He was driving drunk.

Tom or Barry or both of them??
I 'll wait for a trial to decide the facts.

firefly wrote:

He killed someone. And he did't even stop his car to see how badly injured the man was.

HOW do u know this?? Maybe he hit the brake.
Maybe he stopped b4 he went to call for help
and had a few drinks, to calm his nerves.
It coud be possible.

I hope that Tom has sharp professional representation.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Yes, but according to those in the know he's been drinking and driving for 2 years and I believe had a simular situation occur and he killed that person too? So, if that be the case when do you stop feeling sorry ?

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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

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