I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@cs33717,

http://able2know.org/topic/172122-1

Bit scary that he's so talented as well as good looking, has a great body, boyfriend and step-son isn't it. Seems he really does have it all, including brains.

Perhaps you secretly like/lust JC... or would like to be like him ? Then take a leaf out of his book...

You can tell he is loved by alot of people, maybe you could be ONE day, you never know...

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My father always said, never loan friends money, if you're going to help them out make sure they know it's a gift. And that's what it was. He's immature but I'm happy he's still working and getting by on his own.

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@cpguy,

For someone who claims he doesn’t know Thom or anyone else involved you sure think you know how others should have reacted in the situation. But you weren’t there so you don’t know do you.

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@cpguy,

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You don't even know what the driver of the cars BAC level was or the bicycle rider's BAC level was.

You know the driver was charged with having a BAC level of .08 or more.

The cyclist's BAC may not be relevant to the charges against the driver. If that info is relevant for the defense, they will make an issue of it.

In addition to DUI manslaughter/leaving the scene, and failing to aid the victim, Swift also received a traffic citation for Careless Driving. That citation is rather common in Florida, but it is almost routine when a crash involves another vehicle, like a bike, being hit from behind. That would also be consistent with the press report that the cyclist was ejected from the bike and thrown against the windshield of the car, since that would happen if the bike was hit from behind.

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316.1925 Careless driving.
(1) Any person operating a vehicle upon the streets or highways within the state shall drive the same in a careful and prudent manner, having regard for the width, grade, curves, corners, traffic, and all other attendant circumstances, so as not to endanger the life, limb, or property of any person. Failure to drive in such manner shall constitute careless driving and a violation of this section.

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It will be interesting to see the facts if they ever do come out.

They are gradually coming out in the court hearings. People can attend those hearings.

This case has two aspects, one in the criminal system and one in the traffic system (to consider administrative issues with his driver's license related to the charges). Information will be revealed at both types of hearings. For instance, Swift's tested/alleged BAC, may have already been revealed in criminal court as part of the criminal complaint.

The next court hearing is scheduled for Jan. 30th, and I think that is on the traffic case. Info on the internet is rather skimpy. After the 30th, it may be clearer what took place on that date.

More complete facts will be publicly available if there is a trial, because people can attend that as well.

I don't know that the media will continue to report on this case unless they feel it is particularly newsworthy, and I doubt that Swift, or anyone very close to him, will discuss it either before it concludes.

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@firefly,

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More complete facts will be publicly available if there is a trial, because people can attend that as well.

One in ten chances that with our wonderful justice system that there will be a trial.

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@BillRM,

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One in ten chances that with our wonderful justice system that there will be a trial.

That decision is up to the defendant. "Our wonderful justice system" does, in fact, guarantee him that right.

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@firefly,

Sorry but the system is set up to pressure/force the vast majority of people caught up in the justice system not to demand a trial.

So yes it is the defendant choice however it is the society choice to have such a rotten system that give those results.

It had not always been that way as in my lifetime it was three time greater numbers of trials so there is on it face little justice in the justice system unless you had the means to resist the pressures to plead out to some misdeed in order to escape the system with a minimum of harm done guilty or innocent.

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@jcboy,

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My father always said, never loan friends money, if you're going to help them out make sure they know it's a gift. And that's what it was. He's immature but I'm happy he's still working and getting by on his own.

Or family, un-fortunately unless they are immediate family, but very wise, your Father in my opinion was right... you can never get upset if you view it as a gift, never to be returned... You also have a good heart JC.

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@MMarciano,

For the record I never asked morgan for anything, He did it himself. I am going to send back to him!

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@cs33717,

Even more of a reason to not be saying things like this about him:

cs33717 wrote:

The prissy stuck up Jew bitch...

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@cs33717,

That’s not what he wants, he wants you to behave on here, that would be payback enough!

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@firefly,

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You don't even know what the driver of the cars BAC level was
or the bicycle rider's BAC level was.

firefly wrote:

You know the driver was charged with having a BAC level of .08 or more.
The cyclist's BAC may not be relevant to the charges against the driver.
If that info is relevant for the defense, they will make an issue of it.

Maybe it'll be relevant to a homicide prosecution against Thom Swift,
depending on what it will be alleged that Barry did.

firefly wrote:

In addition to DUI manslaughter/leaving the scene, and failing to aid the victim, Swift also received a traffic citation for Careless Driving. That citation is rather common in Florida, but it is almost routine when a crash involves another vehicle, like a bike, being hit from behind. That would also be consistent with the press report that the cyclist was ejected from the bike and thrown against the windshield of the car, since that would happen if the bike was hit from behind.

Its also consistent with Barry driving his bike
frontward into Thom, in a head on collision.

I 'm trying to think of ways to get Thom Swift off the hook,
in that we don 't know whether Barry wanted to be avenged or not
and Thom remains in peril of destruction of his life by government,
whereas Barry is beyond human help (except vengeance, IF that is what he wanted).

I am not inclined to be a sadist against Thom Swift.

David

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@cs33717,

cs33717 wrote:

For the record I never asked morgan for anything, He did it himself. I am going to send back to him!

It sounds like he was a good friend to u.

David

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@BillRM,

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there is on it face little justice in the justice system unless you had the means to resist the pressures to plead

The defendant in this case appears to have the means--he is represented by a very experienced trial attorney.

But the biggest pressure to plead would be the inability of the defense to find, or raise, reasonable doubt about the charges. The stronger the state's case, and the evidence to support it, the more tempting the plea deal is as an alternative to trial. The defense attorney also plays a pivotal role in getting a better plea deal for their client.

A trial is not the only means of obtaining "justice"--for either the prosecution or the defense. And, in this case, Swift might well prefer a decent plea deal to a trial. It's his decision, and that decision will rest in large measure on the strength of the state's evidence and the defense's ability to discredit it. He might not even want a trial, but he does have that option. He might feel that accepting a plea deal is a just outcome since he may be willing to acknowledge guilt. How he feels about this situation may be very different than how you feel about it.

Justice rests on due process, and that is taking place in this case.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

This mess was started when someone made the decision to drink and drive.
Not only are you a sad, jealous little twat, you're a sad, jealous, racist little twat.

Well, you can comfort yourself in knowing that the next time
you find yourself in the gutter, you'll be left there.

Morgan can prove u to be correct and accurate in your prediction, or NOT,
in his free and autonomous discretion.

Has he requested u to represent his opinions
and philosophy to the denizens of A2K?

I have a hunch that he will do as he chooses to do.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Its also consistent with Barry driving his bike
frontward into Thom, in a head on collision

Except the press release said they were both traveling in the same direction. And the damage to the bike would indicate whether it was hit from the front or from the back.

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I 'm trying to think of ways to get Thom Swift off the hook

I realize that. Let's hope his defense attorney is doing a better job of it than you are.

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I believe that this presents an uncommonly good
life lesson in the little value of human gratitude.

In this case, after having received gifts of payment of 2 month's rent,
the recipient is not even grateful enuf to be polite to his benefactor,
nor does he show any goodwill toward him whatsoever.

The OPPOSITE is true; he renders gratuitous insults against his benefactor!
Is that like "biting the hand that feeds u" ??

Tell your children, everyone.
This is worth learning.

David

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@firefly,

DAVID wrote:

Its also consistent with Barry driving his bike
frontward into Thom, in a head on collision

firefly wrote:

Except the press release said they were both traveling in the same direction.

Was that Thom Swift's press release??

firefly wrote:

And the damage to the bike would indicate whether it was hit from the front or from the back.

Maybe.

DAVID wrote:

I 'm trying to think of ways to get Thom Swift off the hook

firefly wrote:

I realize that. Let's hope his defense attorney is doing a better job of it than you are.

OK. Good idea. I have begun to hope
that he will be 1OO% successful.

David

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@firefly,

Let see he got a lawyer who is telling him how many hundreds of thousands of dollars it will cost him to fight the charges at the trial level and with the over charging that prosecutors are now doing how many decades he will be taking a chance of sitting in prison if he loss at trial.

IE it no longer matter if you are guilty or not guilty as you are either going to plead out or get wipe out financially at the very very best.

Prosecutors unless they dealing with the super rich no longer need to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

If the prosecutor had a weak case it does not mean for the most part that the charges will be drop but just that the plea deal will be better.

We no longer had a justice system in this country it is a let make a deal system instead.

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@BillRM,

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IE it no longer matter if you are guilty or not guilty as you are either going to plead out or get wipe out financially at the very very best.

Another very good reason not to drink and drive. It's expensive when you get arrested for it.

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