I just don’t understand drinking and driving

Interesting, and thanks for the info. He’s been keeping very quiet about what’s going on. Not talking to anyone at all about this.

I'm curious - several of you seem to know Thom very well and are friends whom seem to know exactly what Thom drank that particular night in question. Additionally several of you seem to know the moment that Thom went into that bar, exactly what he drank, how many and when he left. You even know exactly his behavior as he left the bar. I'm curious? If you are his so called friends and can remember exactly the time, the place, the type of alcohol, and the amount of alcohol & his exact time of departure - why the hell did you allow him to drive that night is my question? Why would a friend - who saw him in this supposed state of mind and can recall his every action that night - allow him to drive. Or are these scenarios that are being stated here as true facts in fact fabrications of what was told from one friend to the next to the next. I tend to question the people that are stating the facts of what happened that night with their lack of sound judgement when they allowed Thom to leave the bar if indeed what they are saying is true.

what about you? do you know him also? what did you do to stop him? it appears that much of this info is available through the media.

Not to take this to the absurd but I know my sister really well but it'd be a cold day in hell before I could stop her from doing something about which she made up her mind.

There's no getting around it: an individual needs to be responsible for their own actions. DON'T DRIVE DRUNK!

Were you there? I was, I saw Thom, I saw him drinking, I left before 11:00, Thom left the bar after 2am. How would we know he wasn’t going have enough sense to take a cab? And if you know Thom you know that wasn’t his first time closing the bar!

Could he count on you to give him a ride home? Did you offer?

Thank you, well said!

There are few facts that have been released through the media.
What did I do to stop him? No I don't know him and I was not there buddy but if I were with a friend and knew all that these people say they knew about what happened that night you can bet I would have gotten my friend an alternate ride home. There has been one or two press releases all stating the same thing. No one knows what happened yet, no one knows the specifics of either party involved and if we are simply trusting a press release as gospel? Yes that's right - the press releases to the public always state all the facts and are completely accurate. I agree, responsibility. You are correct. My point though that I was making there are several people here that claim to be friends that can account for every breath this man took that night and if he was under that microscope that particular night on 12/23 then why the hell didn't these friends intercede at some point if what they are saying is the gospel. They didn't intercede because they are telling fabricated truths. That's all I'm saying ... I just couldn't read this stuff and not voice my opinion about these posts from people that seemed to be there, seemed to know ever time the guy sharted but yet allowed him to walk out the door. Something is amiss here and I hope that regardless of what happens the truth does come out about it but there are two families here in two different states that are going to suffer that is the truth. And these two families are going to suffer tremendously no matter what outcome happens.

Or perhaps were might have been there yourself? you don't happen to live in skyline fifth do you? just asking.

Really? Deflection much?

The prissy stuck up Jew bitch started this mess!

You are really going to have to learn how to behave in a more polite way.

I hope you walk the talk.

We just found out who he is. I’m not going to say on here but he sure has a lot of nerve. Eight months ago when he was between jobs Morgan paid his rent for two months, never asked for a cent back. Morgan thought he was just a nice kid that needed a little help since his family lives in Georgia and wasn’t able to help him out themselves. You would think he would be grateful instead of being a bitter immature little twit! Trust me he will shut his pie hole now.

@ Sloan. I never said I knew Thom but apparently you think I live in Skyline 5th Ave or something which I don't so glad we've solved that mystery. So you weren't there at 2 am Sloan so your opinion of what may have happened at 2 am is not valid. Period.

Your absolutely right about one thing though Sloan - if a friend needed a ride home no matter what hour you betcha your bippy I would help a friend out. Your also right on about the fact that if I were there and a friend needed a ride - you betcha your other bippy that I would have offered so come down off your tower.

Were you there? I was, I saw Thom, I saw him drinking, I left before 11:00, Thom left the bar after 2am. How would we know he wasn’t going have enough sense to take a cab? And if you know Thom you know that wasn’t his first time closing the bar! - read your last two sentences there buddy.

The question is: Do you know Thom? Do you know him well? If you left at 11 pm then how can you account for what you think happened between 11 pm and 2 am. You personally can't? You state what you think may have happened but you can't be absolutely sure. Case in point is: right now and from the media has released no one knows except the people who were immediately involved until further investigation. You don't even know what the driver of the cars BAC level was or the bicycle rider's BAC level was.




URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-4856836

It will be interesting to see the facts if they ever do come out.

I'd like to see how the rest of the story plays out.

Which storey are you referring to? B.T. or Thom?

I had that happen with an ex-girl friend, Jane.
She was inebriated; she got drunk in front of me at a party.
I tried to convince her to let me drive her home. She refused
on the grounds that she'd need her car the next day
and she pointed out that she had a short trip to go home (like Thom).
My efforts failed. She drove home uneventfully (unlike Thom).

I was not inclined to lay hands on her, forcefully,
to enforce my will (nor to enforce the law).
I simply pointed out to her the potential hazzards
of pursuing her chosen course of conduct.
In my vu, it is not part of friendship to force people
to do what u want them to do.

Calling the police woud have been very, very alien
to the nature of our friendship and not acceptable to my mind.





David

That shud teach u how much u can expect from human gratitude.





David

JC did what any reasonable friend would do HE HAD NO EXPECTATION OF PAYBACK (thats how I read it). So, adding a bunch of "I told ya so's" isnt a valid response. The thing that bothers jc and MM is that they didnt hear ffrom the guy, as if he were avoiding them. When some measly cash gets in the way of a friendship, was the friendship there all along? HAd I been the guy receiving the gift I would be trying to be as honest with jc as I could(If I had no reasonable expectation to repay, Id let im know and try to maintain the friendship at all costs.

I join in that understanding of of it.
I am aware of presenting gifts "with no expectation of payback"
like it can be fun to drop a $5O bill in front of a targeted
donee-beneficiary stranger, without breaking stride. ( A lot of times, thay don't expect that.)
The targets r in season all 12 months, and no hunting license is legally required.

( I dunno about paying their rent; I 've never tried that. )



Is that how u interpret MY response??
I did not tell anyone anything on that subject in this thread.
I just thawt that this is a good opportunity to point out
that human gratitude is unreliable in the extreme.



I hope that I have not fallen into the error of mistaken identity,
but I 'm under the impression that Marco was raising a valid objection
to the hostile and anti-Jewish declaration in Post: # 4,856,890,
pointing out that its author shud be more polite toward his benefactor.
(Thats how I read it.)





David

This mess was started when someone made the decision to drink and drive. Not only are you a sad, jealous little twat, you're a sad, jealous, racist little twat. Well, you can comfort yourself in knowing that the next time you find yourself in the gutter, you'll be left there.