What is free will?

The one major flaw of the christian religion is their belief that heaven is sin free (based on free will). If that is so, then why didn't god make earth sin free?

Logic anyone?

Go read the official stance of Catholicism or Judaism or Islam on free will n then come back apologising ! Your a laugh...

According to Luther, men have no free will. According to most orthodox Jews, ditto, or a compatibilist view: God knows what you will chose but still holds you responsible for your choice... I suppose that's the view of the Catholics too: if God knows everything, he EVIDENTLY knows the future. There isn't even a future for Him, He is of all eternity.

Your own preferences match well with this: a totally determined universe, in which you would still like people to feel responsible for what they do. (the last bit I derive from the fact that you keep reproaching me ****)

That's your best answer to a fairly easy to grasp request ? you just gained yourself the ignore button category bye

Another of god's law that defies logic. Only those who submit to (the christian) god's calling will be saved; he already know who they are.

If that's true, how do babies who are born of another religion supposed to know about the christian god?

Ciao ciao, sore loser.

It's possible that the notion of free will is an attribute that prevents detrimental hesitation. If our choice of what to do next is obvious then we don't need to evoke the notion of free will... we just act... but if we do not have enough knowledge or time, to come to a conclusion about what should definatly be done next, then after a short non-detrimental hesitation we act and 'feel' as if that arose due to free will... it is basically another word for a guess... less dangerous than detrimental hesitation but very possibly wrong... because it was a guess based on insufficient knowledge of what to do next.

The notion of free will emerges due to lack of knowledge and is a poor but necessary substitute notion that avoids the over hesitation... that humans would be prone to otherwise... it's a form of 'best guess' given the available limited time constraint. In this model there is no need for a 'real' self or 'real' free will.

It's not about the "timing" of our decisions; it's still our decision.

I don't see why you'd need a free will illusion to force a quick decision. Try and develop the idea a bit?

Do you think that you might be a little hard on him? Do you think that he should be held responsible for not grasping or intentionally denying what you are sharing with him if he has no free will?

If he has no free will about this matter do you think a lovely lady who is a Neurophilosopher would have the ability to get through to him?

You can always try to convince him to get the medication...honestly I don't give a shiz on his bad Karma I just don't have the choice to find me more patience either..

Fil is predetermined to be a little hard on me. Remember that...


I don't know, been watching for 6:11 mn and youtube froze. She still hasn't said much. What's the last 3 mn about?

I do not know. I only shared part 1 of 11 and I am only starting part 5

I withdraw my question. Went onto youtube, reloaded several times to get to the end: there's nothing in there, so I went to 2/11 in the series and nothing in the first half except unproven hypotheses, so I deci... errr I was predetermined to move on from her very lengthy and void predetermined speech.

Free will is how we justify a guess with insufficient knowledge to know how we should proceed... if we have enough knowledge then we act and no justification is needed... we don't need to evoke the notion of free will... which is just an idea explaining why we guess.

There is absolutely no need for free will to be real but to think it is, helps with certain scenarios but not all, the most important ones don't need it.

Added one more sentence in the above post.

Seems correct too me.

I hate when the video quality is poor but it was worth the hassle to me.

Here is another one with minor issues but again well thought out.

Sorry, not convinced, but still think you're onto something important.

1. I don't know about you but I tend to resist taking decisions untill the last moment. It's not like I enjoy my illusionary free will so much that I look around for decisions to take. And not only me, I think many people shy away from decisions, especially those involving insufficient info, until such a time when it would become detrimental (as you said) to procrastinate any further and we feel the 'urge' to decide one way or the other. So if free will is 'meant' to sugar-coat such difficult decisions, to cure us from our indecision in the face of doubt, it's not doing a very convincing job at it.

However, we sometime happily jump in the unknown. That sort of adventurous behavior is perhaps facilitated by an illusion of free will? Still in my introspective self it's more related to carelessness, to saying 'WTF, I'll try', than to a sense of freedom.

2. Computers (eg games where you fight against the computer) can take decisions in a given time. They don't need conscience or free will or anything like that to do it... In fact they probably go faster for their absence of such complex, heavy systems.

Thumbed you up. Excellent video, thank you. Not only very well produced, but great subject, clearly presented, not ideological or belief ridden, and ultimately convincing. It's however only tangential to free will but maybe the sae group did other vids. I'll look around.