What is free will?

Olivier, I think I have found the answer to the stubbornness of the predeterminsts. It's simply caused by their belief in religion.

I have observed it in my siblings; they are all christians married to christians. I am an atheist married to a buddhist.

Their belief in their religion is sacrosanct. Nothing will change their minds.
No amount of explaining the why's of religion(s) is useless. They will never change their minds. NEVER. They will take it to their graves.

Jeeeesus CI Religion makes an ARGUMENT FOR FREE WILL because of MORAL RESPONSIBILITY ! Get your facts straight ! In fact in the ATHEIST stand point you can get the opposite view like the one presented for one of the top atheist spokesman Sam Harris !

You wrote,

Yes, it's about adaptation to the ENVIRONMENT; that's Darwinism!
As you said, not adapting has CONSEQUENCES. Humans adapt to our environment too! Your life would be much different if you lived in Iceland or in the Congo. That is adaptation.

You keep confusing causal and determinist. These are different concepts. Determinist says that, among the causes that can exist, chance is NOT a possibility. Indeterminism says that, among the causes, chance IS a possibility.

I'm pretty sure this is true, but is evolution related to Darwinism?

Darwin revealed through the study of finches in the Galapagos Islands that birds learned to survive in the different environment by adapting to it.

Darwinism clearly states a strong causal relation NOT CHANCE in the survival of the fittest...I am not talking about random genetic variation I am TALKING SURVIVAL ITSELF.

Survival of the fittest is only the second part of a two-stage process involved in the modern theory of evolution. The first part is precisely "about random genetic variation". Even the second step, selection, is causal but not necessarily 100% predetermined. Causal and predetermined are not synonymous.

I see. Apreciations for clarifying it for me.

You know what 2 stage means ??? Precisely that Indeterminism and then Determinism is at work you fool (and the first part does not even intend to be explanatory it just hints at how we see it) ! If the 2 step is not 100% deterministic then THERE IS NO AUTHORSHIP OF ACTION...I already explained it a couple of times.

Just because chance plays a role doesn't mean your own ideas and inclinations don't play a role too. It's not either/or. To the extent that ideas and other stuff I call 'me' play a role, there is authorship.

In Fil, determinism is definitely a religious belief. A sort of Lutheran God decides what's gona happen for all of us, in his mind, and you are right that this may explain his stubbornness.

My determinism account is EXACTLY the same well know atheists account give of Determinism...is not like I have a different definition. So again stop trolling it just makes you look bad.

Theist scientists tend to be determinist, that's true. The two ideas are organically linked I think.

I know how you feel. It's hard to combat arguments that have do not have anything to do with the argument and is directed towards you.

He is just trolling as it is well known the opposite is true, theistic arguments everywhere are in favour of free will...he is shamelessly lying in public and he should consider how bad that looks on his image.

I wouldn't go to that extreme. Maybe he truly believes what he is saying, and no one can blame anyone for that.

LOL. Grasping at straws?

You can't be a determinist and an atheist at the same time - that's a contradiction since a fully determinist natural law is functionally equivalent to an omnipotent and omniscient god. Atheists by force go for more chaotic cosmologies than theists. There's no universal music conductor in their world view, which resemble more a small jazz formation where improvisation is the rule.

Conversely, indeterminism points at an irresponsible God, one who plays the future of His creation at dices. That's why most theists don't adhere to indeterminism.

The great thing with Fil is that he can BOTH believe you are predetermined AND blame you for what you say... I suppose he is predetermined to be illogical.

I would not know.