Why are Jews hated by so many people?

Jews are not a monolith
..and all of this is why people hate JEWS?

Where is the relevance to the topic?

This issue was covered earlier in the thread. Israel and the events there should be a separate subject as opposed to World Jewry. Israeli national politics and policy are different from the Jewish people themselves.

There are American Jews, Israeli Jews and Jews of the world population. The issue often gets blurred and as a result of the blur...world Jewry and American Jewry get lumped into the events that are happening in Israel and Palestinian outposts. All Jews are not supportive of continuation of a war and policies of Israel towards Palestinian people.

Also Sharon has remained in a long-term care center since 6 November 2006. Medical experts have indicated that Sharon's cognitive abilities were destroyed by the massive stroke, and that he is in a persistent vegetative state with extremely slim chances of regaining consciousness.

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Re: Jews are not a monolith

Ragman wrote:

..and all of this is why people hate JEWS?

Where is the relevance to the topic?

This issue was covered earlier in the thread. Israel and the events there should be a separate subject as opposed to World Jewry. Israeli national politics and policy are different from the Jewish people themselves.

There are Jews, Israeli Jews and Jews of the world population. The issue often gets blurred and as a result of the blur...world Jewry and American Jewry get lumped into the events that are happening in Israel and Palestinian outposts. All Jews are not supportive of continuation of a war and policies of Israel towards Palestinian people.

Also Sharon has remained in a long-term care center since 6 November 2006. Medical experts have indicated that Sharon's cognitive abilities were destroyed by the massive stroke, and that he is in a persistent vegetative state with extremely slim chances of regaining consciousness.

You would have a good point if Isreal had taken the identity of being a Jewish State. However they did not. Isreal has always claimed to be THE Jewish State, they claim to represent and personify all of Jewdom. Once they rest of the Jews did not object they are stuck with being lumped together with everything Isreal does. The identity link runs in two directions, not one.

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Horseshit.

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Re: Jews are not a monolith

hawkeye10 wrote:

You would have a good point if Isreal had taken the identity of being a Jewish State. However they did not. Isreal has always claimed to be THE Jewish State, they claim to represent and personify all of Jewdom. Once they rest of the Jews did not object they are stuck with being lumped together with everything Isreal does. The identity link runs in two directions, not one.

You have no evidence of such a claim. PURE unadulterated horse-pucky!

Under no circumstance has this claim ever been stated or implied: ""they claim to represent and personify all of Jewdom."

To further strengthen my point, I say that American and World Jewry are no more responsible for the actions of Israeli gov't than the American people are responsible for the war in Iraq and the actions of Geo. Dubyah Bush and major mistakes of his Presidential Administration. As a matter of fact, even LESS so!

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Re: Jews are not a monolith

Ragman wrote:

You have no evidence of such a claim. PURE unadulterated horse-pucky!

Under no circumstance has this claim ever been stated or implied: ""they claim to represent and personify all of Jewdom."

To further strengthen my point, I say that American and World Jewry are no more responsible for the actions of Israeli gov't than the American people are responsible for the war in Iraq and the actions of Geo. Dubyah Bush and major mistakes of his Presidential Administration.

On the contrary, I sight the existence of "the law of return", and the whole concept of Israel being the Zionist homeland.

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Once more, you fail to understand the lack of a monolith...all Jews are not Zionists.

Also if the directive in Israel allows for "law of return", how does this make all Jews equal to Israel and Israeli gov'tal policies and actions?

Simply put, it doesn't.

You may dislike Israeli gov't, gov'tal policies and the Israeli military...but to hate all Jews...there's no justification or logical support for it. Those that hate Jews or dislike them, try to understand why FIRST.

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There is a shift between the identity of a Jew and the identity of a Zionist, so I must agree with you that far. The law of return was more Zionist then Jewish as well. I concede the point, but still maintain that the Jews needed to do more to counteract the perception the Israel was laying claim as the Jewish state.

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Ragman wrote:

Once more, you fail to understand the lack of a monolith...all Jews are not Zionists.

Unlike yourself.

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Ragman wrote:

You may dislike Israeli gov't, gov'tal policies and the Israeli military...but to hate all Jews...there's no justification or logical support for it. Those that hate Jews or dislike them, try to understand why FIRST.

That's a 100% fair comment.

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Tigershark wrote:

Ragman wrote:

You may dislike Israeli gov't, gov'tal policies and the Israeli military...but to hate all Jews...there's no justification or logical support for it. Those that hate Jews or dislike them, try to understand why FIRST.

That's a 100% fair comment.

I realize it has been awhile, but according to the tittle this was supposed to be the point of the thread....why the Jews have been hated on so much for so long.

I personally don't hate the Jews, I do wish that they would wake up and realize that the clinging to the ancient ways needs to end. This long ago outlasted its usefulness.

AS for Israel..I have only pity. The palestinians and Israel are exactly like a man and a woman in a dysfunctional abusive marriage where neither can give up their grudge match long enough to try to find a way out. Maybe it will only end when one of them dies. If this is how it goes it will be Israel that gets the knife.

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hawkeye10 wrote:

AS for Israel..I have only pity. The palestinians and Israel are exactly like a man and a woman in a dysfunctional abusive marriage where neither can give up their grudge match long enough to try to find a way out. Maybe it will only end when one of them dies. If this is how it goes it will be Israel that gets the knife.

Yes, they can be the only long term losers. As with the Roman Empire, the Western Empire that props up Israel will eventually fall and the state of Israel will be overrun.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH
Israel: Sharon Investigation Urged
(06/23/01) -- A criminal investigation into Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon´s role in the massacre of civilians in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla should be launched, Human Rights Watch urged today. The Israeli leader will meet on Tuesday at the White House with President Bush.

The call by Human Rights Watch came as Prime Minister Sharon begins a visit to the United States. The Israeli leader´s visit here comes as controversy mounts in Europe over his responsibility for the 1982 killings.

"There is abundant evidence that war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed on a wide scale in the Sabra and Shatilla massacre, but to date, not a single individual has been brought to justice," said Hanny Megally, executive director of the Middle East and North Africa division of Human Rights Watch.

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http://www.angelfire.com/rant/truthaboutpalestine/sharon.html

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http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-as.html

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http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/wanted/sharonindex.htm

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You can claim all you want that all these different organizations are making false charges and accusations, but that's because you have blinders on. That's not anybody's fault but your own. Rather than twisting words and generalities, show us that these have no basis in truth about Ariel Sharon.

Amazing.
I apologize.
Apparently, you are blissfully unaware that the original column that you posted:

Quote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
posted April 16, 2002 (web only)
Sharon Wears Oppressor's Cloak
Robert Scheer

To which I responded, in detail, and which you continue to ignore, was based on the Israeli incursion into the West Bank in March of 2002 called operation "Defensive Wall" in which Israel was accused of all sorts of heinous crimes, all of which proved to be totally false and unjustified and which your author was addressing in posting his silly screed in April of 2002, joining the chorus of jackals sympathizing with Arab propaganda and Muslim bullshit regarding Israel and, of course, Ariel Sharon.

I did not realize that you are simply googling anti-Israeli internet porn and posting it without any awareness whatsoever of what the post is actually talking about.

Your anti-Sharon rhetoric is very impressive in it's volume and vitriol. It's a shame that you can't be bothered to actually address the first piece that you posted which was total and unmitigated crap.

Boy, it's a good thing you don't hate the Jews.... Rolling Eyes

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As I've said often, I have done enough reading about Israel to have a pretty good understanding of its history and the current status of the Palestinians.

I also visited Israel a couple of years ago, and it confirmed what I've been reading concerning the apartheid treatment of the Palestinians by the Israelis.

Criticisms of Israel have been documented by Jews and non-Jews, and by human rights organizations.

It's not my problem that you wear blinders in the many past and current atrocities perpetrated against Palestinians and its neighbors by the Israelis.

Thankfully, many Jews think as I do concerning this subject.

Susan Nathan's story, "The Other Side of Israel," shows both sides of this issue. Read it.

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@ebrown p,

I am happy to read some feedback from a mature and open minded person regarding this... even what happened to the armenians happened earlier than the holocaust and it is denied to this very day. no genocide in the world has been denied except for this one which is shocking and suspicious. i wonder why the Armenian Race is so hated aswell, maybe they are achievers with less numbers and more intelligence than the "gods chosen people" .

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I am happy to read some feedback from mature and open minded people regarding this issue... even what happened to the armenians happened earlier than the holocaust and it is denied to this very day. no genocide in the world has been denied except for this one which is shocking and suspicious. i wonder why the Armenian Race is so hated aswell, maybe they are achievers with less numbers and more intelligence than "gods chosen people" .

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@salvation,

You seem to conveniently distort this issue, as no one (that's sane) here denies the existence of holocausts. BTW, there was more than one massacre in that area. There was the Hamidian massacres of 1894-1896 under Ottoman rule, after the dissolution of Ottoman empire, the Armenian Genocide from 1915-1917 (commencing on or around April 24, 1915).

See Wikipedia excerpt: "It is widely acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides, as scholars point to the systematic, organized manner in which the killings were carried out to eliminate the Armenians, and it is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust. The word genocide was coined in order to describe these events"

However, along with other haters or Nazi-sympathizers, the glaring exception outside of A2K are the Turkish and their fervent denial of the existence of the Armenian genocide - perpetrated by The Republic of Turkey, the successor state of the Ottoman Empire. If that is the topic which you're attempting to bring up, why wrap your issue in the (now 2 yr old dormant) discussion here?

There is not one single person here on A2K who had outwardly denied it, nor has any prominent Jew or Israeli I've ever seen done so. Furthermore, in Jewish circles to which I've been part, nothing but support exists for those Armenians who suffered so mightily at the Hands of the Turks. In fact, I've seen quite benevolent relationships between Jewish communities and Armenian ones.

So where is this denial you claim? Any comment?

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@Ragman,

well Ragman as intelligent and supportive as your answer is, actually i am quite surprised of your acknowledgement of the armenian genocide, as most people have not heard of it at all. I am glad to know people out there know of it first and foremost. The turkey unfortunately they dont want to admit it as it will cause them loss.
Look to get to the point of your question, the denial exists, the israeli government denies it. theres your answer.
personal experiences and word of mouth from ordinary people have heard insults towards the armenian people by the jews. whatever the case, their government denies this genocide. What is denied is dangerous as it will most probably allow for another genocide to happen to this tiny race of people.
I hope the evidence that is in archives all around the world will be exposed and justice served to these people.

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@Ragman,

By the way Ragman , i was not trying to dispute anything with you or anyone else. It was an opinion i pointed out. Sorry i did not know you would be so concerned about it.
All the best.

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@salvation,

Understand the nature of the info distributed around on the Internet. Such info is available in so many democratic countries. No Jew I've ever met denies the Armenian massacre. As a Jewish child decades ago in my Hebrew Sunday school, I learned of it.

Perhaps you should check out the links on the Wikipedia and elsewhere on the net. I have seen nothing that indicated the gov't of Israel denies it either.

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Jews are definitely not a monolith. I've known many people who fit the stereotype of the merchant, to be menches, men of honor and a strong sense of responsibility. I've know more Jewish intellectuals in the universities where I have studied and worked, an admirable lot. A Jewish intellectual recently mentioned in passing to me that he has never even talked to a Hassidic Jew. They are to him, he said, as exotic as they are to gentile me.

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