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Does A Teacher's Past Sexual Activity Matter?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 03:59 pm
@Mame,
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And you know this how?


From my reading of cases where the downloading was done mainly by using p2p networks or trading not buying.

How most people gather normal non-CP porn and it is not by buying it.

Run any p2p file sharing software and see the list of free porn available on the net and take note that some of those files claimed to be illegal child porn.

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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 04:16 pm
@BillRM,
I am not an expert on acquiring child porn, so I will yield to your assessment and let this sub-topic go.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 04:17 pm
@Linkat,
I think the man in question in this thread had been teaching in California. Then he appeared in those 3 porn movies which were released in 2010, then he got his current teaching job in Massachusetts in August of this year.

Maybe whatever he got paid for those 3 porn films made him feel it was worth it to take a risk with his teaching career, maybe he likes doing that sort of thing, who knows? It was bad judgment, if he wanted to continue teaching, and it was bad judgment to not disclose it, since it was a commercial porn product that can be found in video stores and on the internet, and knowledge about it was bound to come out sooner or later, and teachers have been put on leave and fired for acting in porn and porn production connected activities. He's a risk taker. Now he has to deal with the consequences.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 04:19 pm
@Mame,
I just ran a fast video file search using the ares p2p networks software with the key words young and sex and and a numbers of files show up listing porn down to the age of eight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Assuming that the people who are sharing those files are telling the truth and not running a law enforcement honey pot CP is available freely on the net to anyone who is interested and willing to run the risk.

How do you think all those people are getting CP on their computers, most without any computer skill at all?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 04:25 pm
@firefly,
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and it was bad judgment to not disclose it, since it was a commercial porn product that can be found in video stores and on the internet, and knowledge about it was bound to come out sooner or later, and teachers have been put on leave and fired for acting in porn and porn production connected activities. He's a risk taker. Now he has to deal with the consequences.


He could had listed that he did a few minor film roles in straight to video movies and I would bet no one would had ask him the details of those movies and he would had removed the excuse to fired him that he did not list all his past employment.
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 04:28 pm
@firefly,
Yeah with the situation spelled out as it is now - it does make sense. Whether you think it is fair or not, he should have known the consequences of his actions - considering he was currently a teacher and considering the requirements of being teacher. You must understand the expectations of your chosen career - whether fair or not - and if you do not follow these expectations then you need to know that you can lose your job and career.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 04:44 pm
@BillRM,
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possessor has presumably paid for it, and that his payment is subsidizing the producers
for raping more children to produce more pornography
.
BillRM wrote:
Sorry but as far as I know people get most child porn the same manner as normal porn
using p2p networks or more direct trading with no funds transferring hands in the process.

Websites who sell child porn is not unknown however I question if it amount to any large amount of the total CP available on the net.
In the face of such drastic criminal penalties,
it is very surprizing that anyone violates those laws.
RexDraconis111
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 04:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Well, David, there are sick, twisted people in this world. And where there is demand, there is supply.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 05:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
In the face of such drastic criminal penalties,
it is very surprizing that anyone violates those laws.


An yet untold numbers do violate those laws and do so on top of it in a dumb manner.

Hell perhaps the very fact that it is so highly illegal David drive some to it for that very reason as human nature is strange in some regards.

With layers on top of layers of security far beyond the normal user you could still not pay me enough to had such material on my systems.

Once a few years ago, I downloaded a porn video where on viewing I had some question of the age of one of the actresses and heavily encrypted or not I used a wiping program on it as it is just not worth any risk given the punishment in the current US laws if the young lady had turn out to be one day younger then 18 at the time of the filming.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 07:02 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
In the face of such drastic criminal penalties,
it is very surprizing that anyone violates those laws.
BillRM wrote:
An yet untold numbers do violate those laws and do so on top of it in a dumb manner.
What 's that ?

BillRM wrote:
Hell perhaps the very fact that it is so highly illegal David drive some to it
for that very reason as human nature is strange in some regards.
Well, since people overtly risk their lives in sports, climbing mountains, etc;
that might be hardwired into some folks. Not me; no mountains
in my future (except flying over them).



BillRM wrote:
With layers on top of layers of security far beyond the normal user
you could still not pay me enough to had such material on my systems.
Of course.




BillRM wrote:
Once a few years ago, I downloaded a porn video where on viewing
I had some question of the age of one of the actresses and heavily
encrypted or not I used a wiping program on it as it is just not worth
any risk given the punishment in the current US laws if the young
lady had turn out to be one day younger then 18 at the time of the filming.
Yeah; there r plenty of nice young ladies to look at wherever u go.
As long as u do not photograph them u r safe.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 07:05 pm
@RexDraconis111,
RexDraconis111 wrote:
Well, David, there are sick, twisted people in this world.
And where there is demand, there is supply.
I wonder what the reason is
that the sick, twisted people desire that contraband.
I 'm interested in human psychology.
A lot of things about how people think mystify me; e.g. competitive athletics and dancing.
I don t understand the reason that anyone cares about them.
Have u any thawts about Y people care about competitive athletics or dancing??
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 07:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Well, since people overtly risk their lives in sports, climbing mountains, etc;
that might be hardwired into some folks. Not me; no mountains
in my future (except flying over them).


You have no idea of the drug free high of jumping out of a plane for the first time and then finding out that you are alive and well afterward.

In fact, I had a feeling that no one now can buy that thrill in the US any longer as you need now to jump tied to a damn jump master instead of doing your first jump as a single line jump all by yourself.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 08:05 pm
@BillRM,
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He could had listed that he did a few minor film roles in straight to video movies and I would bet no one would had ask him the details of those movies and he would had removed the excuse to fired him that he did not list all his past employment.

But, anyone who had a beef with him, and knew about his porn involvement, could have tipped off the school about the nature of those videos, and that may be what happened, except they went to Fox news with the story. Someone had to tip off the reporter who broke this story.

They can fire him just for being in the porn. It's going to depend on how many parents at that school want him ousted and how the school administrators and state licensing board view his activities. Many people see porn as lewd, obscene, immoral, disgusting, etc. and they wouldn't want their children influenced by the kind of person who contributes to it's production and appears in it, or they might just feel it's unseemly and innappropriate for a teacher to be doing that sort of thing. And we have no idea what those 3 videos he made were even like. Some parents might be bothered by it, some might not. But this man might have been involved in other things as well as those 3 videos, that he just never disclosed, so the school really has to investigate his background now. He's only been at the school for three months, so it's not like he was there for a long time before this surfaced.
They are going to have to let the media dust settle and then have long calm discussions about the whole business at that school, and hopefully listen to all sides, before they make a final decision. This is apparently a very good school--it was rated as one of the top schools in the country--so they would be concerned about the school's reputation and image. If he only has a one year contract, and they lean toward not keeping him, they could just keep him on leave for the rest of the school year and then just not renew his contract.
Quote:
"We expect that all teachers will be held to a very high moral standard. They're in the classroom everyday and they serve as role models to students," said JC Considine, spokesperson for the Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education. http://abcnews.go.com/US/teacher-porn-star-pasts/story?id=15057492http://abcnews.go.com/US/teacher-porn-star-pasts/story?id=15057492

The outcome of this case will depend on how they define that "high moral standard" and who does the defining.


BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 08:33 pm
@firefly,
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They can fire him just for being in the porn. It's going to depend on how many parents at that school want him ousted and how the school administrators and state licensing board view his activities. Many people see porn as lewd, obscene, immoral, disgusting, etc. and they wouldn't want their children influenced by the kind of person who contributes to it's production and appears in it, or they might just feel it's unseemly and innappropriate for a teacher to be doing that sort of thing. And we have no


That depend on whatever union contract he might be a part of as adult porn is not illegal and parents opinions do not override union contracts or civil service rules and rights for that matter.

I had no ideas what rights he had or does not had in that school district but there are areas in this country where getting rid of him for being a porn star would not be a simple task.



OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 10:16 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Well, since people overtly risk their lives in sports, climbing mountains, etc;
that might be hardwired into some folks. Not me; no mountains
in my future (except flying over them).
BillRM wrote:
You have no idea of the drug free high of jumping out of a plane for the first time
and then finding out that you are alive and well afterward.
Its funny that u said that.
I used to think about doing that,
but, on re-consideration, I thawt it was too dangerous
and I did not want to roam around on the ground, either.

BillRM wrote:
In fact, I had a feeling that no one now can buy that thrill in the US any longer
as you need now to jump tied to a damn jump master instead of doing
your first jump as a single line jump all by yourself.
Is that a federal law?
What the hell is the jurisdictional predicate????

I agree that I 'd not want any jumpmaster!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 10:27 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:

He could had listed that he did a few minor film roles in straight to video movies and I would bet no one would had ask him the details of those movies and he would had removed the excuse to fired him that he did not list all his past employment.

But, anyone who had a beef with him, and knew about his porn involvement, could have tipped off the school about the nature of those videos, and that may be what happened, except they went to Fox news with the story. Someone had to tip off the reporter who broke this story.

They can fire him just for being in the porn. It's going to depend on how many parents at that school want him ousted and how the school administrators and state licensing board view his activities. Many people see porn as lewd, obscene, immoral, disgusting, etc. and they wouldn't want their children influenced by the kind of person who contributes to it's production and appears in it, or they might just feel it's unseemly and innappropriate for a teacher to be doing that sort of thing. And we have no idea what those 3 videos he made were even like. Some parents might be bothered by it, some might not. But this man might have been involved in other things as well as those 3 videos, that he just never disclosed, so the school really has to investigate his background now. He's only been at the school for three months, so it's not like he was there for a long time before this surfaced.
They are going to have to let the media dust settle and then have long calm discussions about the whole business at that school, and hopefully listen to all sides, before they make a final decision. This is apparently a very good school--it was rated as one of the top schools in the country--so they would be concerned about the school's reputation and image. If he only has a one year contract, and they lean toward not keeping him, they could just keep him on leave for the rest of the school year and then just not renew his contract.
Quote:
"We expect that all teachers will be held to a very high moral standard.
They're in the classroom everyday and they serve as role models to students," said JC Considine, spokesperson for the Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education. http://abcnews.go.com/US/teacher-porn-star-pasts/story?id=15057492http://abcnews.go.com/US/teacher-porn-star-pasts/story?id=15057492

The outcome of this case will depend on how they define that "high moral standard" and who does the defining.
It has been suggested to me that I teach in a law school. (I 'm not gonna DO it. I refuse. 13th Amendment.)
If I gave the kids an explanation of the law and a few tips on trial practice,
it 'd not occur to me to be a role model, but regardless of that:
I am NOT available for service in porn movies!
Forget it!! Don 't even bother to ask!

I wonder how the kids feel about the idea of teachers being role models.





David
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 10:29 pm
@firefly,
I've had california state board practices licenses for more that twenty years in two professions. I vaguely remember that we were never to tread into moral turpitude. I'm sorry, but, snort!

I wasn't a turpituder, shy, you know, but not all were avoidant.

I will agree this fellow was dumb, but I don't buy that being a teacher obliterated his rights. Maybe - I need to see the paperwork.

The assumption that teachers are icons is pretty worn out. That companies are icons is a fifty year old ideation.
As I always have said, judge by the performance, aka performance criteria.


So, teachers should be as angels in their own lives? links please, re laws.

I've no idea about this guy, but there seems a rush.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 10:32 pm
@BillRM,
You are grossly underestimating the influence of the parents, and the community, and governing school boards, in issues like this. The man is not a tenured teacher, he works in a Charter School, probably on a yearly contract, and is likely not in a union, but I doubt a teacher's union would even be all that supportive of him--the man had a very recent past questionable employment history he didn't disclose, and I can't imagine a teacher's union really going out on a limb to support a teacher's right to appear in porn movies. That's not something the teaching professional wants to support or promote. Let's get real.
Quote:

I had no ideas what rights he had or does not had in that school district but there are areas in this country where getting rid of him for being a porn star would not be a simple task.

But at least two teachers in this country have been fired this year because of their involvement in pornography productions, and another one was placed on a leave of absence, in addition to the man we are discussing in this thread.
Quote:
Unlike unionized public school teachers, teachers at charter schools have a one-year contract and don’t have much job protection. They’re
signed “at-will,” which means they can be fired at any time without notice or clear reasons to justify their dismissal. http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2011/12/06/teacher-vote-unionize-ubah-medical-academy-meets-resistance-administration

So, in terms of job protection, or "rights" this man really doesn't have much support to back him up.
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Malden charter school teacher reported to be porn actor has been licensed in state since 1998
November 30, 2011
By Matt Byrne, Town Correspondent, Globe Staff

The current mayor and the mayor-elect of Malden said they agree with the Mystic Valley Region Charter School's decision to place on leave a teacher who a local television station identified as an actor in pornographic movies.

"Generally, the expectation of any education system ... is that [pornography] isn't an appropriate background to be working with kids," said Mayor Richard C. Howard.

Kevin F. Hogan was identified as a former adult star in a Fox 25 report that aired Tuesday. Since then, Hogan, hired by the Malden charter school in August to head the English department, has been placed on paid leave pending a school investigation.

“This is more an issue about licensure,” said Howard, who is also a lawyer. “But once the tip has been made, it’s an appropriate field of conversation for the employer.”

Mystic Valley officials declined to comment on the investigation yesterday.

"I can understand completely the charter school's interest in doing their investigation and due diligence, before they render a decision," said Malden mayor-elect Gary Christenson. "I think it's always to be better safe than sorry."

Howard chairs the Malden School Committee, but the board has no power over the charter, which answers to an independent board of trustees. Malden City Councilor Neil C. Kinnon, chairman of the Mystic Valley trustees, did not return multiple calls for comment.

Since the revelation, Mystic Valley parents and community members have raised questions about Hogan's fitness to teach, and whether a teacher’s prior work experience, unrelated to teaching, is fair game.

In a statement to parents, Mystic Valley said Hogan did not report his past work as an adult actor, and that no complaints were registered by either parents or students. The school said it performed all the regular background checks, in California where he used to live, and in Massachusetts.

Marilyn Errett, spokeswoman for the California Commission on Teacher Credentialing, said the state has no record of Hogan teaching in the state.

In Massachusetts, regulations require applicants to possess “evidence of sound moral character,” according to the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education.

Hogan was first licensed to teach in Massachusetts in 1998, when he was awarded a provisional license to teach grades 5 through 12, according to a copy of his teaching license application provided by the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education.

A resume he submitted in July of 1997 for the license application says he graduated in 1988 from Northeastern University, where he earned an English degree, and two years later from Boston College, where he earned his master’s degree, also in English.

From 1989 to 1997, he held five different classroom jobs, including a two-year stint at Saint Clement High School in Medford, where he was an English and writing instructor, and a yearlong job as an assistant professor at the University of Charleston in West Virginia, according to his resume.

He also taught at The Gunnery, a preparatory school in Washington, Conn., the resume said.

Included in the application was a letter from Keith. R. Manville, who was then-acting superintendent of the Beverly Schools, seeking to expedite Hogan’s license so the district could hire him. In a phone interview, Manville, who is retired from education, said he did not remember Hogan.

The story has drawn a breadth of responses from Mystic Valley parents, some of whom advocate for Hogan’s immediate ouster, while others have taken more nuanced approaches, according to Ann Carroll, , a member of the Parent Advisory Council.

“People are discussing whether it's an issue of what he did, or what he didn't say in the interview process,” said Carroll, a parent of a Mystic Valley fourth-grader.

“A lot of the parents are using this as a learning experience for their children, to show that different choices have different consequences,” Carroll said.
http://articles.boston.com/2011-11-30/yourtown/30459466_1_provisional-license-english-department-marilyn-errett





firefly
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2011 12:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I am NOT available for service in porn movies!
Forget it!! Don 't even bother to ask!

I promise, David, I will never ask. Even though it might be a profound loss to the adult entertainment industry.

I mean, how could anyone even expect you to perform in the nude? Where would you put your gun? Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2011 01:52 am
@firefly,
Charter school are not the same as public schools with union contracts however a large percent of teachers in this country are not at will employees and do have job protections and rights even if this teacher is not so portected.

As far as parents power in concern parents in the bible belt had not been able to get junk science taught as science no matter how hard they had try or prayers in school for example.

I do not see them having the power to get the courts to overlook union contracts either.

Second I would bet large amounts of funds that a majority of those parents had porn films in their own homes so mortal outrage is somewhat amusing over the issue.
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