Quote:I had no interest in his personal beliefs nor the history of his life.
That has applied, in my mind, to all teachers
firefly wrote:That may have been you, David,
Did u model yourself after any teachers ??
I never thawt of doing that. I only thawt of remembering the information.
firefly wrote: but I don't know that necessarily applies to high school students who have access to their teacher's naked image in porn videos. I think that many of them would be plenty interested in getting copies of those videos, and looking at them, and, once that happens, that's going to destroy what should be an appropriate student teacher relationship.
Maybe
NOT, Firefly.
This was a public school, right?
This is
AMERICA. It is of foremost importance
that we, as citizens, bear in mind the historical origins of government,
to wit: we created it. To government
: WE are its creator.
IT is our baby. Government is our child. It and its hirelings are our servants.
We shoud demand that government bear that in mind.
Each morning, government shoud pledge allegiance to
us, the citizens, its creators
and
IT shoud respect
us, accordingly.
Let us remember that the relationship of government toward citizens
is one of
ADVERSITY. Whose side r we
ON??
firefly wrote:What this teacher did by appearing in those porn videos was incredibly stupid and an act of incredibly poor judgment if he had any intention of wanting to pursue his teaching career. And he didn't do these things as some act of youthful indiscretion, he appeared in those videos last year. And these aren't "private" matters since he appeared in a commercial porn product that is publicly available. While he might have chosen to omit this info on his job application, did he really think knowledge of it wouldn't surface at some point?
It looks like he
did, yes.
firefly wrote:So, not only did he make an error in judgment in appearing in the porn, his second mistake was in not being open about it when he applied for his job and letting his potential employer decide whether they wanted to hire him anyway.
Presumably, he knew that he 'd never have been considered,
if he put that there.
firefly wrote:He set the stage for this story to erupt and to do so in a manner guaranteed to put the school in a difficult position.
At least, he'd get a few months pay out of it.
firefly wrote:While I don't agree with the way the Fox reporter chose to break the news, in our internet age, this story would have surfaced sooner or later.
U never know.
firefly wrote:I don't think this is just about teachers having an obligation to be good role models,
Is that in their contract??
firefly wrote:it's also about the image of themselves that teachers, or anyone else, want to make publicly available.
I used to think about that, when I held a public office, years ago.
firefly wrote:And, when those public images involve being naked and appearing in a sex romp designed to elicit sexual arousal in the viewer, the boundary between extremely private matters and one's public persona--as a teacher--shatters, somewhat irretrievably. You can't put this genie back in the bottle. Those images will always be available for view, and will affect your ability to command the respect and dignity that being a teacher requires.
I challenge and dispute your assumption.
We shoud look upon them the same as we look upon book salesmen.
WE r the customers: thay shoud be respecting
us, not the other way around.
firefly wrote:I keep thinking how much worse this would probably be if it were a female teacher whose three porn videos, and still images from such videos, were available to her teenage male students through the internet. Would anyone really question whether she could ever again regain the proper respect in the classroom if her male students were also pleasuring themselves with her naked images after finishing their homework?
How does that work??
The employee remains perfectly free to show proper respect
for the customers for whom she works.
If it is a math class, then thay might need to ask about algebra or trigonometry, not about respect.
firefly wrote:How about commanding respect from their dads on parent-teacher night?
Its
MORE important that our servant
respect her master, the
citizen.
firefly wrote:Or respect from male colleagues?
Just speaking for myself: that 'd have
no influence upon my respect.
I
don 't disdain entertainers, necessarily.
I 'm e z to get along with, as a general rule.
firefly wrote:You just can't successfully present yourself as a blatant sex object and a teacher at the same time without those presentations of yourself becoming hopelessly confused.
Thay r
UNRELATED. If the student wants the information,
then he 'll pay attention to it.
firefly wrote:And I do think that adversely affects students and the educational process.
So, as badly as I feel for the teacher involved in this mess, after giving the matter considered thought, I really think he should resign. He put himself in this situation, and he put his school in this situation, and I think that his resignation would be his way of taking responsibility for the consequences of his actions.
And this certainly should send a message to teens about being careful about the images of themselves that they post or send to others.
Shoud he become concerned about sending messages to students,
if his personal revenues r about to suffer??????
He needs to keep his priorities straight.