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I did not know it was this bad, are you doing more to help?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 07:18 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
reasoning logic wrote:

It is this destruction of our society that has caused the extreme mentally challenged society that we have and it is only going to get worse and they will eat you up.

????? I dunno what u have in mind.


The society that originally built the factories and ran them should have owned them and they should have been the share holders. not someone like me who happened to be lucky enough to be born into an environment that enabled him to do so.

What we are talking about should be studied in the field of social engineering and political science.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 07:23 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
reasoning logic wrote:

It is this destruction of our society that has caused the extreme mentally challenged society
that we have and it is only going to get worse and they will eat you up.

DAVID wrote:
????? I dunno what u have in mind.
reasoning logic wrote:
The society that originally built the factories and ran them should have owned them and they should have been the share holders. not someone like me who happened to be lucky enough to be born into an environment that enabled him to do so.

What we are talking about should be studied in the field of social engineering and political science.
Please note that I REJECT SOCIALISM out of hand
and I cheered and celebrated in 1991, when communism fell.

I have always supported Individualism, personal freedom n hedonism.





David
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 07:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Please note that I REJECT SOCIALISM out of hand
and I cheered and celebrated in 1991, when communism fell.

I have always supported Individualism, personal freedom n hedonism.




You seem to be an Ayn Rand fan.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 07:35 pm
@chai2,
I will donate to where it is most needed in the US and continue donating to the Red Cross
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 07:35 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:
Please note that I REJECT SOCIALISM out of hand
and I cheered and celebrated in 1991, when communism fell.

I have always supported Individualism, personal freedom n hedonism.

You seem to be an Ayn Rand fan.
Insofar as she supported laissez faire capitalism: YES.
She did not have a monopoly on that point of vu, nor did she originate it, nor did she claim to do so.





David
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 07:38 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
She did not have a monopoly on that point of vu, nor did she originate it, nor did she claim to do so..




Yes you seem to have been well exposed to her
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 07:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OK, as long as it is VOLUNTARY,
not the product of government-based extortion.


I really don't think that the people here worry overmuch whether what they are doing is VOLUNTARY or not. If they can get some much-needed help from the government, they will gladly accept it and not worry about it being or not being the government's responsibility. The point is that no one should go hungry and it is everyone's responsibility (and that includes government agencies) to insures that one's neighbors (and that includes strangers and newcomers and -- yes -- even illegal immigrants) get enough to eat.

Do try and join us, David. You might enjoy being a member of the human race at last.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 08:01 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
OK, as long as it is VOLUNTARY,
not the product of government-based extortion.


Everyone feels like they have been exploited by the government for one reason or another.

I think that land should be a god given right and that everyone should at least be entitled to a small piece without having to purchase it. Now I do realize that there would be a problem over who gets the better pieces of land but those should be the issue one should face rather than finding the money to buy land. All land should go back into the pool after people pass away.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 08:33 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
OK, as long as it is VOLUNTARY,
not the product of government-based extortion.
reasoning logic wrote:
Everyone feels like they have been exploited by the government for one reason or another.

I think that land should be a god given right and that everyone should at least be entitled to a small piece without having to purchase it. Now I do realize that there would be a problem over who gets the better pieces of land but those should be the issue one should face rather than finding the money to buy land. All land should go back into the pool after people pass away.
U have as much right to an opinion as anyone else.

If u can get the Constitution amended,
then u can get your wish.

I will be in the opposition.

If u believe that God gave u that right which u value so much,
Y do u fail to capitalize God 's name ?





David
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 08:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57331399/more-homeless-kids-now-living-in-cars/

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016849799_carcamping25m.html

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/among-austins-homeless-veterans-in-need-1994995.html

http://www.yelmonline.com/articles/2011/11/25/first_report/doc4ed0089541bdf016954503.txt
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 08:52 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
OK, as long as it is VOLUNTARY,
not the product of government-based extortion.
Lustig Andrei wrote:
I really don't think that the people here worry overmuch whether what they are doing is VOLUNTARY or not.
It is very paradigmatic that people don't worry about their rights until thay lose them.




Lustig Andrei wrote:
If they can get some much-needed help from the government, they will gladly accept it and not worry about it
being or not being the government's responsibility.
Your point is that thay will eat, drink & be merry and not worry qua whether their bounty is STOLEN PROPERTY or not, right??



Lustig Andrei wrote:
The point is that no one should go hungry and it is everyone's responsibility
HOW did thay acquire that "responsibility"? A contract? HOW? Inquiring minds wanna know.



Lustig Andrei wrote:
(and that includes government agencies)
HOW did government agencies acquire jurisdiction to rob the property which is ultimately consumed by the Hawiians??



Lustig Andrei wrote:
to insures that one's neighbors (and that includes strangers and newcomers and -- yes -- even illegal immigrants) get enough to eat.
Most earnestly do I entreat u, Andy, to inform me in regard to HOW the illegal aliens got that right????????



Lustig Andrei wrote:
Do try and join us, David. You might enjoy being a member of the human race at last.
Thanx for the invitation, Andy; very good of u, but I 'm too old for so radical an adventure.





David
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 09:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Most earnestly do I entreat u, Andy, to inform me in regard to HOW the illegal aliens got that right????????


I think you intentionally misread ne, David. If, instead of breaking my sentences up into "sound-bites", you would quote them in their entirety, you would be bound to see that I am not talking about "rights" but about responsibilities. I firmly believe that it is my responsibility to give aid and comfort to those less fortunate than I am wherever and whenever I can. I don't ask to see a person's "green card" when that person is in need to help.

I don't see how you can deny -- with a straight face yet, I suspect -- that the government, too, has a responsibility towards all people it finds within its borders. What, then, is the function of a government, any government, if not to concern itself with the well-being of the people it governs?


OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 09:36 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Most earnestly do I entreat u, Andy, to inform me in regard to HOW the illegal aliens got that right????????
Lustig Andrei wrote:
I think you intentionally misread ne, David. If, instead of breaking my sentences up into "sound-bites",
you would quote them in their entirety,
That is my effort to aim, with optimal accuracy n precision upon the concept that I wish to address.



Lustig Andrei wrote:
you would be bound to see that I am not talking about "rights" but about responsibilities.
I firmly believe that it is my responsibility
to give aid and comfort to those less fortunate than I am wherever and whenever I can.
HOW did u acquire that "responsibility"???
Is that like "community service" a penalty for an infraction of law??
If u consult competent legal counsel, perhaps u might be exonerated from that responsibility,
or found never to have been subject to it. A miscalculation??
I remain skeptical qua the existence of such a responsibility.





Lustig Andrei wrote:
I don't ask to see a person's "green card" when that person is in need to help.
I respect your right to give away your property however u choose, as I drop MY money in the grass from a hot air balloon,
or dump it on a restaurant table in front of an unexpecting kid, on my way out; personal choice.
That 's OK so long as neither of us (directly nor indirectly) robs anyone
of the property that is to be given away.


Lustig Andrei wrote:
I don't see how you can deny -- with a straight face yet, I suspect -- that the government,
too, has a responsibility towards all people it finds within its borders.
It certainly has NO "responsibility" beyond its jurisdiction.
The Founders never invested government with any jurisdiction
to attend to such things.
The Founders were very, very well aware that jurisdiction and personal liberty are INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL.
Government was intended to be maybe as important as a mosquito fart in the background of life.

For SURE, government was not created to benefit illegal aliens.



Lustig Andrei wrote:
What, then, is the function of a government, any government, if not to concern itself with the well-being of the people it governs?
It is the defense of the citizens' RIGHTS,
e.g. vengeance against robbers and defense from alien raids,
NOT anyone 's general well being.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 09:49 pm
@reasoning logic,
From breadfortheworld (this report is one year old on 2009):
Quote:
Record Number of Americans Continue to Go Hungry

Washington, DC, November 15, 2010
One in seven, or 14.7 percent, of American households suffered from food insecurity in 2009, according to the most recent data on hunger released today by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). While the numbers remain unchanged since 2008, they are still the highest recorded levels since the USDA first began publishing figures on food insecurity.
“These numbers are still far too high. There are 12.9 million households in all of California, and the number of U.S. households who struggle to put food on the table is higher still than that. We must do more and we must do it better,” said Bread for the World President David Beckmann. “With record-breaking unemployment rates and the impact of the recession, Congress needs to ensure that programs designed to mitigate hunger — like SNAP, the national school meal programs, and WIC — are well-funded.”


The 14.7% calculates to 44 million Americans who were hungry in 2009.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 11:29 pm

Its good for losing weight (wate).
Thay shoud be grateful, but NO: thay never thank us; the ingrates!
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 11:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
**** you, dave...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 11:32 pm
@Rockhead,
I need a chic for that, Rocky.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 11:33 pm
but thanx for the advice
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2011 11:35 pm
Yeah! That 's a good idea!
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2011 08:51 am
@Butrflynet,
Thank you for sharing those links. Smile
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