Holy Hell, The State Now feels Free to Add Hate Penalties for IntraGroup Crimes

But the crimes were motivated by religious intolerance, and thus surely fall squarely within the ambit of the local "hate laws"? Intra-cult intolerance is just as much intolerance as inter-cult, isn't it?

Seven Amish men have been charged with hate crimes for cutting the beards and hair of Amish men in a different religious sect.
The men, all family members of bishop Samuel Mullet, Sr., allegedly forcibly restrained multiple Amish men and cut their beards and hair with scissors and battery powered clippers, injuring the men and others who tried to stop the attacks, according to a statement by the Department of Justice.

Says right there they were forcibly restrained, they had their hair and beards cut off, and several men were injured. That's more than just thinking.

You saying those guys who were attacked don't have the right to have hair and beards?

it is the gratuitous adding of penalties under the illegal hate crime laws that I object to.

Seven Amish men have been charged with hate crimes for cutting the beards and hair of Amish men in a different religious sect.
The men, all family members of bishop Samuel Mullet, Sr., allegedly forcibly restrained multiple Amish men and cut their beards and hair with scissors and battery powered clippers, injuring the men and others who tried to stop the attacks, according to a statement by the Department of Justice.
The attacks grew out of a religious feud between Mullet and the wider church, according to the criminal complaint against the Mullet family.
Mullet, as the head of the Bergholz clan sect of the church, excommunicated eight families who chose to leave the sect under his rule. His decision was investigated by the 300-member bishops council of the Amish church, which determined that the excommunications were vindictive and unfair, and overruled them.

This is a circular argument. "Gratuitous" and "illegal" are value judgements that you are making

no....interpretation of law is not a mater of individual value judgement, they are a mater of individuals logic and interpretive judgement.

That mind probe can't get invented fast enough for the state, no doubt, it will make the process of finding and locking up deviants much easier. Are the Borg to become our ideal "humans"?

Seven Amish men have been charged with hate crimes for cutting the beards and hair of Amish men in a different religious sect.
The men, all family members of bishop Samuel Mullet, Sr., allegedly forcibly restrained multiple Amish men and cut their beards and hair with scissors and battery powered clippers, injuring the men and others who tried to stop the attacks, according to a statement by the Department of Justice.
The attacks grew out of a religious feud between Mullet and the wider church, according to the criminal complaint against the Mullet family.
Mullet, as the head of the Bergholz clan sect of the church, excommunicated eight families who chose to leave the sect under his rule. His decision was investigated by the 300-member bishops council of the Amish church, which determined that the excommunications were vindictive and unfair, and overruled them.

This undermines the legitimacy of Hate Crime Law even more than before, because now there is no way out of the charge that the state uses Hate Crime law to gratuitously tack on penalties to individuals that it does not like. ANYBODY can now be charged with a hate crime, for any reason that the state wants to invent.

The whole hate crime idea is just plain dumb.

Eorl wrote:

The whole hate crime idea is just plain dumb.

That 's VERY TRUE!!! People 's emotions r none of government's business,
nor was government ever invested with jurisdiction over anyone 's emotions.





David

Verbally abusing someone when you can keep your mouth shut is an action. Insulting someone, offending others, is an action that you don't need to engage in. You wouldn't put up with it at work, so why would you put up with it on the street?

dont throw in a kicker penalty because you decide that the transgression was motivated by an natural human emotion that you dont like.

hawkeye10 wrote:

dont throw in a kicker penalty because you decide that the transgression was motivated by an natural human emotion that you dont like.

So racism, xenophobia and bigotry are "natural human emotions"?

to hold those feelings and beliefs is a right of the individual.

To act on them is not.