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Bad News for the A2K Anti-Spanking Lobby

 
 
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:03 pm
Well this doesn't surprise me, that chicken little beat his kids with a belt.
I hope they repay you for that one day, you bastard!
MMarciano
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:52 pm
@CalamityJane,
I was never spanked as a child and my son will never be spanked. Oh sure he will get punished by having privileges taken away. I won’t lay my hands on him and I certainly don’t believe taking a belt to a child is instilling good values.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:53 pm
@MMarciano,
nope.

just fear...
MMarciano
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 06:00 pm
@Rockhead,
That’s exactly right, and I certainly don’t want my son to fear his father.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 06:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
In a study Gershoff co-authored that examined 20,000 kindergartners and their parents, she found that 89% of black parents, 79% of white parents, 80% of Hispanic parents and 73% of Asian parents said they have spanked their children.

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/10/researchers-african-americans-most-likely-to-use-physical-punishment/?hpt=hp_bn2
hawkeye10 wrote:
You are in the minority. Dont expect European style anti spanking laws to show up in America any time soon.
I thawt I heard that it was illegal in New Jersey.
( I 've had no reason to check that. )

I 'm really pleased that as a non-father,
I never had a reason to contemplate a decision on that.

However, I remember that during my childhood,
I was requested by boys of my acquaintance,
my age or younger, to spank them. I never complied.

Hawkeye, if a kid wants to be spanked,
how do u handle that ?





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 06:59 pm
@MMarciano,
MMarciano wrote:
I was never spanked as a child and my son will never be spanked.
Oh sure he will get punished by having privileges taken away.
I won’t lay my hands on him and I certainly don’t believe taking a belt to a child is instilling good values.
I AGREEE with that strongly,
but the idea is scary of what if u get a half crazy kid
who insists on doing dangerous things ??

My solution is foolproof:
I have no kids. I have a peaceful n happy life.





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 07:13 pm
@MMarciano,
MMarciano wrote:

That’s exactly right, and I certainly don’t want my son to fear his father.


Family is a political structure as well as a biological structure, as the feminists point out constantly.....a healthy amount of fear is so important to the ability to lead a political structure to be almost a requirement, I make no apology for instilling into the kids fear of disobeying the parents.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 07:17 pm
@Ceili,
Quote:
Pick a point and stick to it! Either you are a child advocate or a ******* bully
Setting and enforcing limits for children is in the best interests of children. I am a child advocate.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 07:19 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Hawkeye, if a kid wants to be spanked,
how do u handle that ?
The only experience I have with kids who want to be spanked is when kids cross the line and earn themselves a spanking. It that case my attitude is " I see that you want a spanking, so here it is".
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 09:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
MMarciano wrote:
That’s exactly right, and I certainly don’t want my son to fear his father.
hawkeye10 wrote:
Family is a political structure as well as a biological structure, as the feminists point out constantly.....a healthy amount of fear
is so important to the ability to lead a political structure to be almost a requirement,
I make no apology for instilling into the kids fear of disobeying the parents.
As an Individualist, I advocate that each citizen
look down with healthy scorn upon his creation, his employee, government.
When we created the damned thing,
we did not make the choice to make it the object of our own fear,
as we do when we buy tickets to a horror movie.

The damned thing is employed by US.
IT works for us; we do not work for IT.

It is because of our forgetfullness of this fact
and our unconscious adoption of the idea that government is the boss,
that our grandchildren are condemned to eternal slavery as the Borg.
It is inevitable; only a matter of time.
(The reason that it has not happened YET is that it has been IMPOSSIBLE,
for lack of sufficient technology.)

Thay have already begun filling the world with photographic cameras
linked to government and thay have begun satellite surveillance
which is destined only to become ever more accurate & precise.
We need not even bring up extant facial recognition software
linked up to the pervasive cameras.

Everyone thinks this is just fine n dandy.

To this u add your advocacy of fear!


My natural (almost reflexive) inclination is to take cognizance
that a kid who has been violently attacked by a parent may well choose
to avenge himself, but I know that in some cases,
a parent might be driven by desperation to violently attack,
if the kid 's infractions have been sufficiently egregious
(e.g., burning the house down, etc., etc.).

Its really a wonderful thing to not need
to become involved in decisions like that, nor their unwelcome drama.





David
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 09:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
Here is part of Robert Heinlein novel Starship Trooper with a teacher of the future addressing his class on our ban on spanking children and punishment by pain in general that I found interesting.

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Corporal punishment in schools was forbidden by law," he had gone on.
"Flogging was lawful as sentence of court only in one small province,
Delaware, and there only for a few crimes and was rarely invoked; it was
regarded as `cruel and unusual punishment.' " Dubois had mused aloud, "I do
not understand objections to `cruel and unusual' punishment. While a judge
should be benevolent in purpose, his awards should cause the criminal to
suffer, else there is no punishment and pain is the basic mechanism built into us
by millions of years of evolution which safeguards us by warning when something
threatens our survival. Why should society refuse to use such a highly perfected survival mechanism?


However, that period was loaded with pre-scientific pseudo-psychological nonsense.
"As for `unusual,' punishment must be unusual or it serves no purpose."
boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 05:17 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
pain is the basic mechanism built into us
by millions of years of evolution which safeguards us by warning when something threatens our survival


In the topic at hand the threat to survival would then be the parent since they are the one inflicting the pain.

I think obedience is highly overrated. Making the right decision because you're forced to do is is not at all the same as making the right decision because it's the right decision.

Obedience does not equal respect.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 07:01 am
@boomerang,
Quote:
I think obedience is highly overrated. Making the right decision because you're forced to do is is not at all the same as making the right decision because it's the right decision.

Obedience does not equal respect.



That fine thinking when you dealing with a child for example who run into the street without looking for traffic time after time.

boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 07:07 am
@BillRM,
Hitting a child who runs into the street teaches them exactly what?
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 07:16 am
It teaches them that you're a dangerous lunatic who should be given a wide berth. Adults, of couse, can tell that by the fact that this idiot relies on Robert Heinlein as a source of wisdom. Children probably take the more direct approach--you know, "This guy is hitting me, he must be an asshole."
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 07:17 am
@boomerang,
That he will be hurt for doing so and that therefore it is a bad idea.

But then you would perhaps would prefer to wait until the universe teach him the same lesson by causing him pain for doing so by having a two tons car run over him?
boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 07:20 am
@BillRM,
So you hurt him to keep him from being hurt?

Most kids understand the danger of running into the street. When the do run into the street it's because they aren't thinking of the danger. Hitting them for endangering themselves will not cause them to stop and think of the danger of the street, it won't even cause them to stop and think of the danger of you hitting them. They aren't thinking and hitting them won't cause them to think.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 07:23 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
"This guy is hitting me, he must be an asshole."


No we will wait for the police to hit him, taser him or shot him later on in life as sooner or later his improper actions will be control.

boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 07:26 am
@BillRM,
Because every child who ever ran into the street has become a criminal.

Where are all these kids who are running into streets everywhere that we use them to justify hitting our kids? I read the paper every day and I just don't see them reported.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2011 07:29 am
@boomerang,
Strange such teaching methods had work fine for all of human history and beside humans higher pack animals.

But feel free to not end stop your kids/grandkids from running out in front of cars but please not when I am driving down the road as I do not wish the burden of killing a child because your morals will not allow you to control and correct them.
 

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