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Does LIFE Matter? Does Anyone Care??

 
 
Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 05:41 pm

World wide, thru all human history, the death penalty
has been deemed to be the OBVIOUSLY most severe punishment.
When murderers r sentenced to death, protest groups picket the prisons.
( Thay don 't do that when murderers get sentenced to 5O or 75 years. )

The survival of human death group, IANDS,
has only about 1,OOO members out of over 6,OOO,OOO,OOO people
who can join; many of them r the survivors of death or medical doctors who study that.


I read of numbers of citizens who have gotten gun licenses
after it became legal to do so, and only 1,OOOs apply;
embarrassingly few numbers out of possible 1,OOO,OOOs who legally can defend their lives.

That seems to indicate that human LIFE is a triviality,
that people just don 't care whether thay get killed or not.

I think that human life is important.
I appear to be in a small minority; very small. Few people agree with me. I don 't understand it.

Is human life important?

Is it ENUF to make a JOKE and say:
"well, u can 't get out of it alive anyway" ????

I don 't think it is.





David
 
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 05:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't need a gun to feel safe, dave.

most normal folks don't...
thack45
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 05:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
No. Human life is not important. It is however important to humans.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 05:47 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
I don't need a gun to feel safe, dave.

most normal folks don't...
That 's off topic. This is not a gun thread.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 05:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
yet.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 05:50 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I think that human life is important.


I know that you are a seriously confused individual. You can't even keep your thoughts straight. First you celebrate the murders of large groups of people, then you pull this crap.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 05:53 pm
@JTT,

David wrote:
I think that human life is important.
JTT wrote:
I know that you are a seriously confused individual. You can't even keep your thoughts straight. First you celebrate the murders of large groups of people, then you pull this crap.
I 'm trying to get the opinions of mentally sane people, J.
At least let 's do that first, before we address your concerns.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 06:15 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The opinions of mentally sane people is not what you need, Om. You need a lot of psychiatric counselling.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 11:02 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
The opinions of mentally sane people is not what you need, Om.
You need a lot of psychiatric counselling.
U are not able to judge anything, J.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2011 09:12 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Your posts tell all, Dave.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2011 12:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Empowering oneself to kill with the press of a switch is by no means a safeguard against dying.

If you worry about getting shot, you shouldn't get a gun, you should get bulletproof underwear.

Only people motivated by fear thinks that it is a solution to become part of the problem...

Quote:
many of them r the survivors of death


Death is 100% lethal. No survivors. Death is a condition of not having survived....
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2011 03:33 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
yet.
It looks like u were right, Rocky.
I did not conceive this to be a gun thread,
but (in that it is failing to thrive in its original concept)
I will deviate, addressing expressed gun-related concerns.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2011 03:50 pm
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:
Empowering oneself to kill with the press of a switch
is by no means a safeguard against dying.
That 's true. U can get a heart attack, or hit by a truck.




Cyracuz wrote:
If you worry about getting shot, you shouldn't get a gun,
Worrying (emotion) has nothing to do
with whether u will get shot.
When I was shot at, my mind was occupied in looking for something.
I had no security-related thoughts nor emotions,
but that had no effect upon the incoming gunfire.


Cyracuz wrote:
you should get bulletproof underwear.
What about head shots ??









Cyracuz wrote:
Only people motivated by fear thinks that it is a solution to become part of the problem...
By that reasoning, Cy, no one will carry a spare tire in his trunk,
unless he is EMOTIONAL, fearful, of getting a flat tire while travelling.
I have found that when I have gotten flat tires,
I never expected it; that was always a surprize when it happened.





David wrote:
many of them r the survivors of death
Cyracuz wrote:
Death is 100% lethal. No survivors. Death is a condition of not having survived....
No; I have met many people who have returned from death in hospitals,
some of whom were dead for about an hour.

My abdominal surgeon told me that I died twice during surgery in 2005.
I did not call him a liar.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2011 03:51 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Your posts tell all, Dave.
That is a kind thing to say, J; I hope so.





David
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north
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2011 10:10 pm

life ALWAYS MATTERS , obviously

so where is this thread going ?

I don't understand
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2011 11:20 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Your life matters, as do the lives of friends and families.

At any given moment the lives of strangers may matter to you and if even the most subtle of personal connections are made you are likely to care.

In general though? Not so much.
Procrustes
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 05:07 pm
Life matters to the point where you may be confronted to sacrifice yourself for another (who ever it may be). I'd rather welcome death than take life cos fearing the end consumes you to forget the journey right now.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 06:20 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Your life matters, as do the lives of friends and families.

At any given moment the lives of strangers may matter to you
and if even the most subtle of personal connections are made you are likely to care.

In general though? Not so much.
If life matters, if people CARE about it,
then Y r there so few people who have enuf interest
to join the International Association of Near Death studies
to ascertain whether conscious life endures?? Very few people have joined it.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 11:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Your life matters, as do the lives of friends and families.

At any given moment the lives of strangers may matter to you
and if even the most subtle of personal connections are made you are likely to care.

In general though? Not so much.
If life matters, if people CARE about it,
then Y r there so few people who have enuf interest
to join the International Association of Near Death studies
to ascertain whether conscious life endures?? Very few people have joined it.



"Life After Death" is not "Life" unless there are people walking around who know they lived before and died.

I would love to know right now that my sense of identity - "I" will exist after I die, but this not to be, and "Near Death" studies will not provide me with that information. "Near Death" is not "Death." "Death" is when you don't come back, and a "Near Death" experience may be nothing more than a hallucination brought on by your brain being deprived of oxygen.

Unfortunately, for me, I retain a tiny bit of my childhood conditioning by Pastor Steinke of the Grace Luthern Church in NY. One of the most joyful people I have ever met, but when he got behind the pulpit the fire and brimstone flew.

In a tiny corner of my brain remains an irrational fear of hell. While it surfaces at only the rarest of times, I have a misgiving that it will do so when I'm near death.

99.9% of the time my thinking about death is that it's nothing to fear since either I will "wake up" in some representation of heaven or the lights will simply be switched of for all eternity. Either way there's nothing to fear...but that's my rational adult mind doing the thinking. 0.1% of the time the kid staring in terror at Pastor Steinke thundering on about damnation, comes to the fore and I tremble.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 03:05 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
For the MOST part,
complaints of hell have been forthcoming from suicides or atheists.
Admittedly, we have no testimony from heavy duty criminals (e.g., no murderers).

Lemme get back to u.





David
 

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