Do you think it's immoral to step on bugs?

David's peddling idiotic bullshit as usual. So-called "state troops" of Florida and Alabama seized some Federal installations and unsuccessfully attacked others in January, 1861. This was before Florida's convention had voted for secession. Basically, they started a fight--in today's pungent terms, they wrote a check their ass couldn't cash. The appropriate metaphor would be if the other NATO nations attacked the United States, and then declared they would dissolve the alliance and depart in peace. David knows American history about as well as he spells.

Yours.

Technicalities; a viable course of action
woud have been to evacuate and then negotiate qua restitution
for any improperly inflicted damages.

The REAL reason that the war was fought
was to extort membership in the Union
and to avoid the loss of a lot of territory.

Lincoln coud have adopted the same philosophy
that Jimmy Carter did qua the Panama Canal.





David

Lincoln was not the president when Florida, Alabama and South Carolina attacked Federal installations. Quite apart from that, the Confederacy was a violation of the constitution. The first paragraph of Article One, Section Ten, reads, in its entirety:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Firing heavy artillery at a United States installation is not a technicality. Attempt to seize a Federal installation, defended by United States troops, is not a technicality. I suppose in 1941 you think we should have told the Empire of Japan "Oops, sorry, here, you can have the Hawaiian islands, just let us evacuate our forces, and we can negotiate compensation down the road."

The obvious question which follows is what is "worth being?" In other words, what is of ethical value, and hence moral consideration? This is pretty much the age old question of ethics, and more importantly what normative reasoning pre supposes.

The interesting thing about the non human world is that our considered beliefs about the non human world (animals/enviroment etc.) force us to criticaly fundamental assumptions regarding the nature of morality.

Some of the points that u raise have merit.
The South shoud not have fired upon Union forts
before having declared their withdrawal from the Union.

ALL life is sacred. You kill living creatures ONLY to survive. Killing another animal is not for sport.

btw my view is that you're a ******* asshole.

How does that does make me an asshole? It isn't like I kill people, jeez.

In their own minds,
the bugs might consider themselves to be people,
( as distinct from having a self image of:
"O, I 'm just a bug; Y shoud I care if Wylie stomps on me?? " ).

Just curious, but why would you ask for clarification from someone who called you a "******* asshole?"

And do you really need clarification? The general consensus on this thread is that someone who goes out of his way to wantonly kill bugs is being a douche bag.

Kuvy tends to express himself more bluntly than do many others in the forum, but his messages are rarely obscure.

I take a less magnanimous vu
toward bugs who 've chosen to inhabit my real estate.





David

Wylie obviously started this thread only with the intention of baiting people and receiving negative strokes; he wasn't the least bit interested in discussing the sanctity of life. Don't fall into the trap of "feeding" him strokes, negative or positive. Probably, the best answer is to ignore these types of threads altogether, lest this site turns into another Abuzz.

THAT is not what happened to Abuzz.
It became a hellish ideological, brawl.

I think it is a legit question. Most people think bugs are insignificant. While others think every life is sacred. Others in between - think their life and comfort is more important and thus ok to stomp on them and flush them down the toliet when the buggers interfer with their lives.

At least this person had enough sense to question his glee about stomping the life out of these small creatures.

If Abuzz had just had access to a firearm, it might have survived...

YES. Thay r PHOTOTROPIC.
Hence, thay make a practice of stomping all over our computer montiors while we r posting on A2K;
until we KILL them.





David

Yeah; that was the problem.

do you use a gun when you kill them?

David I would never presume to include you in the general consensus on anything.

NO. I don 't have a bug gun.

Joking aside, when I was around 9 years old, in Arizona,
after a storm, I put on my boot. It had a large bug in it.
I was very alarmed and repulsed. I had guns available,
but thay were not suitable for defense from bugs.

grossed me out




David