Palestinian Solidarity Campaign disrupts Israeli Concert. Yeah!!!

izzythepush wrote:

As I am neither Jewish nor Moslem it is not for me to say...

and as you admit now to being neither, and probably not Israeli or Palestinian either, you'd do well to stay the heck out of it. By not being a member of any of these groups you fail to comprehend the deeper meaning and importance which each group has in attachment to Israel.

My objection comes when posters decide they know what is best and what the emotions of the people of involved are. ...

but remember that only those within know the true feeling of what is happening and what has happened.

and as you admit now to being neither, and probably not Israeli or Palestinian either, you'd do well to stay the heck out of it. By not being a member of any of these groups you fail to comprehend the deeper meaning and importance which each group has in attachment to Israel.

The other problem of course is that even the US does not recognize the ICC as legitimate in any sense:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act

Palesavages of course would immediately commence terrorist activity in Holland if any of their people were ever imprisoned by the ICC.

Don't try explaining international law to these cretins. They're still trying to work out why Rice Krispies go 'snap crackle and pop.'

You really are very stupid, all the Palestinians are being oppressed, and both sides are capable of producing terrorists.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1707366,00.html

gungasnake wrote:

In fact there are legitimate Jewish and Christian holy places in Israeli territory, but no legitimate muslim holy sites.

That's just plain wrong.

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/places/jerusalem.htm

The al aksa mosque is nothing more or less than the usual muslim penchant for building mosques over top of everybody elses churches and synagogues.

From Time magazine, sorry no dinosaur riders.

Quote:

The centrality of Jerusalem in Muslim spirituality is apparent in the story of Muhammad's mystical Night Journey to Jerusalem. Muslim texts make it clear that this was not a physical experience but a visionary one (not dissimilar to the heavenly visions of the Jewish Throne Mystics at this time). One night Muhammad was conveyed miraculously from the Kabah to Jerusalem's Temple Mount. There he was welcomed by all the great prophets of the past before ascending through the seven heavens. On his way up he sought the advice of Moses, Aaron, Enoch, Jesus, John the Baptist and Abraham before entering the presence of God. The story shows the yearning of the Muslims to come from far-off Arabia right into the heart of the monotheistic family, symbolized by Jerusalem.

Respect for other faiths was manifest in Islamic Jerusalem. When Caliph Umar, one of Muhammad's successors, conquered the Jerusalem of the Christian Byzantines in 638, he insisted that the three faiths of Abraham coexist. He refused to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher when he was escorted around the city by the Greek Orthodox Patriarch. Had he done so, he explained, the Muslims would have wanted to build a mosque there to commemorate the first Islamic prayer in Jerusalem.

The Jews found their new Muslim rulers far more congenial than the Byzantines. The Christians had never allowed the Jews to reside permanently in the city, whereas Umar invited 70 Jewish families back. The Byzantines had left the Jewish Temple in ruins and had even begun to use the Temple Mount as a garbage dump.

Umar, according to a variety of accounts, was horrified to see this desecration. He helped clear it with his own hands, reconsecrated the platform and built a simple wooden mosque on the southern end, site of al-Aqsa Mosque today.

As I am neither Jewish nor Moslem it is not for me to say which is the most important. The Bible is full of mystical visions; Jacob's Ladder, Burning Bushes etc. The fact is that Jerusalem is important to all three Abrahamic faiths, and all three should be shown due respect.

You really are a sanctimonious old git who talks a load of old bollocks. By that token the Free Tibet movement should all **** off and get a life, and the anti-apartheid movement should have kept their mouths shut.

Don't try telling me what I comprehend, because I understand a lot more than you,

whose response to any criticism of Israel is the predictable kneejerk response of anti-semitism.

I don't begrudge anyone's attachment to the Holy Lands.

I do object to the illegal occupation of the West Bank,

the blockade of Gaza

and the oppression of the Palestinian people, something you choose to ignore.

Yo, Macabees...dial it back a bit, and let some goys be there for you.

Because conservatives support Israel.

You choose to ignore the facts of the occupation.

The slaughter is incredibly one sided, for all the actions of Hamas and Islamic Jihad they're not even approaching the killing machine that is the IDF.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Because conservatives support Israel.

I saw Yasser Arafat being interviewed when I was 11, it has absolutely nothing to do with what conservatives do.

So you're telling us that your support of the Palestinian cause is based on the fact that for 11 year old izzy, Yasser Arafat was a hero?

What did you find so admirable in him? His violent ruthlessness? His mendacity? His corruption? Did you actually buy the sham that he was, at heart, a man of peace and reconcilliation? Are you sure you didn't just mistake him for Ringo Starr?

You choose to ignore the facts of the occupation. You seem to think all this can be solved by Hamas changing its constitution, and ignoring the fact that when Arafat was in charge and Hamas was sidelined, Israel continued the occupation.

Because I don't agree with your presentation of the "facts of the occupation" doesn't mean that I think Israel has been faultless throughout these long years. Often, in hindsight, it can be perceived that they have overracted in ways that have been unfair to innocent Palestinians and detrimental to their own political goals, but hindsight is always 20/20; particularly when the original circumstances are being viewed through fire, smoke and blood.

Obviously it can't all be solved by Hamas changing its constitution. Fanatical murders though they may be, I do have to hand it to them that they are a cut above the oily Arafat in terms of sincerity. They want to see Israel destroyed and they make no bones about it.

You call me a dolt, but you need to have pun explained to you. You claim to support Israel, but you stick up for Josef CV and his holocaust denial on another thread. You better tune back into Fox, see what you should be thinking because you obviously can't do it for yourself.

This last paragraph is precise evidence of your doltish thinking.

I don't know or care what you are talking about in terms of what you seem to believe is the infamous "pun affair," but it's easy to see that you reflexively reach for it as a rhetorical weapon whenever you're frustrated.

Characterizing what I wrote in regards to a JosefCV post and "sticking Up" for either him or "his holocaust denial" is absurd. You are either unable to think clearly when it comes to someone you believe to be a foe, or you are deliberately twisting the truth. Either way, while naming you a dolt for it may not be quite accurate it hardly speaks well of you.