Palestinian Solidarity Campaign disrupts Israeli Concert. Yeah!!!

You are always free to kiss my red, Irish ass. I suppose in your little smug, self-congratulatory world, your sneers qualify as civility. I have no reason to be civil to you, given your history of gratuitous contempt and insult. When one combines that with your ignorance of these matters, and your puerile attempts to bait, why should anyone be civil to you?

oralloy wrote:

The *only* reason there has been no return to 1967 borders is: the Palestinians refuse to make peace.

Do you really believe that?
=> What about East Jerusalem?
=> What about the 300,000 Israeli settlers who occupy about 35 % of the territory of the West Bank?
=> What about the security wall Israel has built that isolates about 2/3rds of the territory of the West Bank behind an Israeli securtity barrier?

Soon after the 1967 War Israel announced that it would never give up control of the western Jordan valley and the heights over the valley, as well as Jerusalem and areas around Lake Tiberius(Galilee). They have never modified these assertions. All of those lands are part of the West bank and together they comprise a very significant part.

Talking to Oralloy is like talking to a wall. It's pointless, he's made up his mind, and no amount of mere facts will change that.

You see, many Jews do know that there is a not so secret agreement amongst many non-Jews that Jews are expendable; that means Jewish life is not equal to non-Jewish life. So, when suicide bombers kill children, a percentage of the world just thinks how horrible, yet thank goodness it didn't happen to children I really identify with.

Yes, I said it. Germans are superior to other Europeans, in my opinion, since they are educable beyond the anti-Semitism of so many other European countries.

Where does it say he is Jewish? Oh, I get it, you knew it all along. You are making my point that the world cannot treat Jews as just ordinary folks. Everything they do/think is in context of that Jewish gene they have.

Yes, I said it. Germans are superior to other Europeans, in my opinion, since they are educable beyond the anti-Semitism of so many other European countries.

You really are ridiculous

The majority of people in the UK, France and Germany want their governments to vote in favour of recognising a Palestinian state if a resolution is brought before the United Nations in the next few weeks, according to an opinion poll.

The three European countries are seen as crucial votes in the battle over the Palestinians' bid for statehood at the UN, which meets next week. All three are pressing for a return to peace negotiations as an alternative to pursuing the statehood strategy, but they have not declared their intentions if it comes to a UN vote.

In the UK, 59% of those polled said the government should vote in favour of a UN resolution recognising a Palestinian state alongside Israel. In France and Germany, the figures were 69% and 71% respectively. Support for the Palestinians' right to have their own state, without reference to the UN vote, was even higher: 71% in the UK, 82% in France and 86% in Germany.

The poll was conducted by YouGov on behalf of Avaaz, a global campaigning organisation that is conducting an online petition in support of a Palestinian state. It is planning to deliver more than 913,000 signatories backing what it describes as "this new opportunity for freedom" to the European parliament .

David Cameron must listen to the views of the public, said Ricken Patel of Avaaz. "The prime minister has a clear choice: stand with the British public and 120 other nations to support a Palestinian state and a new path to peace, or side with the US government, which continues to push for a failed status quo."

The Palestinians appear to be assured of a majority if a resolution is put before the UN general assembly, whose annual session begins in New York next week. However, full membership of the UN requires security council approval, which the US confirmed last week it would veto.

The Palestinians may then seek "observer state" status at the general assembly, which is less than full membership but an advance on their current "observer entity" status.

The US, which is anxious to avoid wielding its veto and potentially incurring the wrath of Arab countries, is pushing for a return to negotiations – a move also supported by the EU, which is keen to avoid a damaging split among its 27 countries.

European foreign ministers are meeting in Brussels on Monday to discuss a common position on Palestinian statehood. Britain and France have said they would prefer to see meaningful negotiations on the basis of the pre-1967 borders with agreed land swaps, but have hinted they may vote for enhanced status for the Palestinians without such a prospect.

Germany is thought to be opposed the Palestinian plan, but on Friday the chancellor, Angela Merkel, said: "I am not going to disclose today our voting intentions, whatever they may be." She added that Germany was wary of unilateral moves. "We are going to use the days that remain to perhaps achieve a few millimetres of movement," she said.

The UN secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, backed the idea of a Palestinian state last week. "I support … the statehood of Palestinians, an independent, sovereign state of Palestine. It has been long overdue," he said in Canberra.

Israel acknowledges that it has almost certainly lost the battle for votes at the general assembly. Ron Prosor, its ambassador to the UN, said last week: "This is a diplomatic endeavour against all odds ... It is clear to me that we can't win the vote." Instead, Israel was concentrating on securing a "moral minority" of powerful countries, which it hopes will include the EU bloc.

• The Avaaz poll, carried out by YouGov in the UK and Germany, and Ifop in France, was conducted online, with 2,552 respondents in the UK, 1,017 in Germany and 1,011 in France.

Foofie wrote:

Where does it say he is Jewish? Oh, I get it, you knew it all along. You are making my point that the world cannot treat Jews as just ordinary folks. Everything they do/think is in context of that Jewish gene they have.

You really are ridiculous, if you doubt Gerald Kaufman is Jewish check him out on Wikipedia. As he is writing a letter to the Guardian about Israel, Kaufman's Jewish heritage is relevant.

You really are an idiot. You trot out your racism and your crying towell for the poor Jews, perrenial victims, victims of the evil gentiles. If you showed the same regard (and if Oralloy showed the same regard) for murdered Palestinian children, you might rate some credibility. I frankly don't believe that either you or Oralloy really give a **** about Israeli children or about any children. They are just convenient to your arguments, nothing more.

You don't trivialize the value of Palestinian lives, you ignore them altogether, while you harp on Jew as victim. What a pathetic case you are.

The problem i see with it is that it's a mishmash of intentions and goals. It's good to see references to the "pre-1967" borders, but i have a problem even with that terminology. The borders of Israel haven't changed, and Israeli high courts have taken that position in refusing to rule on settlement cases. The problem that people will always face in negotiating with the Isrraelis is that there isn't a unified position, which simply facilitates Israel's generations old habit of negotiating in bad faith.

...Remember that the House Republicans can block this aid all by themselves

My point is, that you'd have to be blind if you lived in the UK and followed politics not to know Kaufman was jewish. It would be like not knowing Mel Brooks was Jewish.

I only recently found out that Sid James was Jewish because I was watching a news report on the Jewish hall of fame in London. When I think of Sid James, I don't automatically think he's Jewish, but think of the work he did in Hancock's half hour, then the carry on films.