Palestinian Solidarity Campaign disrupts Israeli Concert. Yeah!!!

@JTT,

Gunga's made up a song about me. It really made my day, see if you can get him to write one about you.

@izzythepush,

The stance is genuine.
And keep an eye on the "people power" movements in Egypt and Libya. I will be delighted if genuine democracies and authoritative negotiators emerge, but I am somewhat cynical having listened to the incessant cries of "allahu akbar", as no doubt have the Israelis.

If Setanta decides to keep a civil tongue in his head I will cease tempting him to put his foot in it.

Hope springs eternal....!

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@izzythepush,

Another letter from prominent Jewish mp Gerald Kaufman in today's Guardian.

Quote:

President Abbas is to be congratulated on persisting in applying for Palestinian statehood at the UN (Report, 9 September), despite all the pressure and blackmail trying to force him not to. The quartet has never done anything meaningful to give the Palestinians their independence. If the US uses its veto at the security council, this will prove the smug windbag Obama to be the puppet of Aipac. The hypocrisy of those countries which vote against or abstain at the general assembly will similarly be exposed. This brave Palestinian move will change the entire environment of the Middle East and tell the Israelis that they must negotiate meaningfully if they wish to be one of the states in a two-state solution.
Gerald Kaufman MP
Lab, Manchester Gorton

There's also a brilliant article by Peter Preston.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/11/israel-neighbours-arab-changes

It also makes the editorials.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/11/turkish-egyptian-alliance-israel

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@izzythepush,

Thanks
The second article underscores. my "democracy hope". But remember Turkey is being excluded from the EU at present because, amongst other things, of its less than democratic handling of its own population. "Armies in control" doesn't look a good sign to me.

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@fresco,

You are always free to kiss my red, Irish ass. I suppose in your little smug, self-congratulatory world, your sneers qualify as civility. I have no reason to be civil to you, given your history of gratuitous contempt and insult. When one combines that with your ignorance of these matters, and your puerile attempts to bait, why should anyone be civil to you?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Hey, I never post - or try not to - to influence opinions. I am all about what I am presently thinking.

Something, I don't know what, turned me off of manipulation many years ago. Of course I can be manipulated but I have an eye out. On my part, explaining my take is important, while I process stuff. I am not a promoter as promotion.

On that photo, of course I get the apparent usage and don't know if it is staged. It also might not be, in the situation re photographing, I don't know. I don't know if it is just a photo. Doubt it, too well worked.

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@Setanta,

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I suppose in your little smug, self-congratulatory world, your sneers qualify as civility. I have no reason to be civil to you, given your history of gratuitous contempt and insult. When one combines that with your ignorance of these matters, and your puerile attempts to bait, why should anyone be civil to you?

If this doesn't qualify as the dictionary definition of 'hypocrisy', it certainly serves as a shining example of same.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Do you really think that this image is inflammatory?

As to the image, it's fine. When it's met with its reality,

A Palestinian Bedouin girl lies on her family's bedding after Israeli army bulldozers razed their shacks and tents

it becomes something more. It's always the reality part that you love/seek to avoid, Finn.

The more you show of yourself, the more highly becoming of you that is.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

From the BBC. I can't tell you how proud I feel to be ... a member of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign right now.

Only an anti-Semite would be proud to be an anti-Semite.

izzythepush wrote:

Hopefully this will bring the plight of the Palestinians to the public's attention, and strengthen the Israeli Boycott.

If current hate crimes laws do not allow for you anti-Semites to be prosecuted for harassing Jews, they should be strengthened.

izzythepush wrote:

From the BBC. I can't tell you how proud I feel to be British, and a member of the In a statement published on its website ahead of the Proms, the pro-Palestinian group claimed the IPO showed "complicity in whitewashing Israel's persistent violations of international law and human rights".

No such violations.

izzythepush wrote:

This is not about Jews. This is about the way the Palestinians are being persecuted on a day to day basis.

It is hardly persecution to prevent Palestinians from murdering people.

No, you just hate Jews.

izzythepush wrote:

This is about the illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza strip.

Hardly illegal.

The only way the Palestinians will ever get that land is if they (and you) stop your attacks on Israel, and try making peace.

izzythepush wrote:

Israel likes to paint itself as a democracy fighting terrorists, but it's not.

Yes it is.

izzythepush wrote:

It is a brutal oppressor, just like apartheid South Africa.
And like apartheid South Africa it needs to be reminded that it is not part of the free world.

Your anti-Semitism is as nauseating as usual.

I think you filth need to be reminded that anti-Semitism is not acceptable. Definitely need to strengthen hate crimes laws.

And it is hardly "brutal oppression" to tell a Palestinian that he'll not be allowed to murder Israeli children.

izzythepush wrote:

Hamas isn't the ravenous terrorist beast that it is sometimes portrayed as.

Your support of terrorists and murderers is charming.

izzythepush wrote:

Hamas will not renounce calls for the destruction of Israel, in the same way that Gerry Adams would not renounce the idea of a united Ireland.

Thus ends any chance of a Palestinian state.

izzythepush wrote:

This is mostly about political posturing,

Nope. It is about you trying to help Palestinians murder children.

izzythepush wrote:

Hamas have announced a desire for ceasefires before, giving terms as long as 20 years. Hamas do stick to ceasefires.

Hardly.

izzythepush wrote:

Once both Israelis and Palestinians enjoy real peace and security, political posturing will become more and more irrelevant, as people get on with living their lives.

Interesting dream. Note the perpetual Palestinian refusal to be peaceful.

izzythepush wrote:

Perhaps talks brokered by the UN would be a good idea.

No point. The Palestinians will refuse to cooperate, then you anti-Semites will blame Israel, then everyone will go home, having wasted their time.

izzythepush wrote:

However, I can't see it happening with an idealogue like Netanyahu in charge.

The only reason Netanyahu is in charge is the fact that the Palestinians refuse to ever make peace.

Were the Palestinians to actually be serious about peace, and were filth like you to stop your anti-Semitism, the Israeli voters would replace him with someone who would make peace.

But so long as the only thing you filth do is attack Israel, the Israeli voters will continue to elect people who promise to use violence to keep you in check.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

The Palestinian Solidarity Campaign is all about justice for the Palestinians,

That you label the murder of Israeli children as "justice for Palestinians" does not change the reality that you are just an anti-Semite who supports murdering children.

izzythepush wrote:

the end of the occupation of the West Bank

If that was what it was about, you filth would be making peace with Israel instead of harassing Jews.

The only way the Palestinians will ever get that land is if they decide to try making peace.

izzythepush wrote:

and the blockade of Gaza.

Your hopes of letting artillery be smuggled into Gaza, so it can be fired at Israeli civilians, are charming.

Never going to happen.

izzythepush wrote:

It is not about Israel's right to exist, or the establishment of the state of Israel.

Sure it is. That is the ultimate reason you are fighting to give the Palestinians ways to murder people.

izzythepush wrote:

The persecution of the Palestinian people is indefensible.

It is hardly persecution to prevent Palestinians from murdering children.

izzythepush wrote:

The existance of Israel is hardly at stake. They've got the biggest military machine in the entire middle east.

Well, yes and no. Their existence is not threatened because they will always use force to eliminate the threats you filth pose.

But the fact that you are prevented from achieving your goal does not change the fact that your only real goal is to kill Jews and destroy Israel.

izzythepush wrote:

The reality is that Israel has the biggest PR machine going, constantly monitoring news reports for bias, and threatening to play the anti-semitism card at every opportunity.

Heaven forbid you anti-Semitic filth be called what you actually are.

izzythepush wrote:

Hamas is a reality, they need to be negotiated with, just like the IRA, jaw, jaw.

How exactly does one negotiate with someone who refuses to negotiate?

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

I can sympathize with the Palestinians and fault the wrong-headed (and unjust) insistence of the Israelis on an expansionist and perpetually Jewish state.

No such insistence. Israel is not expansionist, and is willing to trade land for peace.

The *only* reason there has been no return to 1967 borders is: the Palestinians refuse to make peace.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The *only* reason there has been no return to 1967 borders is: the Palestinians refuse to make peace.

Do you really believe that?
=> What about East Jerusalem?
=> What about the 300,000 Israeli settlers who occupy about 35 % of the territory of the West Bank?
=> What about the security wall Israel has built that isolates about 2/3rds of the territory of the West Bank behind an Israeli securtity barrier?

Soon after the 1967 War Israel announced that it would never give up control of the western Jordan valley and the heights over the valley, as well as Jerusalem and areas around Lake Tiberius(Galilee). They have never modified these assertions. All of those lands are part of the West bank and together they comprise a very significant part.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

izzythePOOP wrote:
The Palestinian Solidarity Campaign is all about justice for the Palestinians,

Justice for the palisavages would be exile until the day of judgment to some planet whose other denizens viewed them as food.

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@JTT,

Finn is in denial, he wants to believe the crap he reads, he thinks he's being patriotic, he's just being delusional. I do think there is some decency there, it's just very well hidden.

Unlike Oralboy and Gunga who are just racist slime.

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@fresco,

fresco wrote:

Thanks
The second article underscores. my "democracy hope". But remember Turkey is being excluded from the EU at present because, amongst other things, of its less than democratic handling of its own population. "Armies in control" doesn't look a good sign to me.

The main reason Turkey is being excluded, is the fear that voters in France and Germany have of being 'swamped' by Turkish migrants. Turkey is a darn sight more democratic now than it was even five years ago and, unlike Israel, a loyal NATO ally.

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@izzythepush,

There's a lot of action about the upcoming vote in the UN. There's a lot of pressure being put on the French, German and British governments.

Quote:

In a poll last week 59% of British, 69% of French and 76% of German people said they want their governments to support a Palestinian state at the UN now.

http://avaaz.org/en/palestine_poll/

Will Cameron actually act like a democratically elected politician, or will he continue the disgraceful policy of kow-towing to American pressure? I suspect the latter.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The *only* reason there has been no return to 1967 borders is: the Palestinians refuse to make peace.

Do you really believe that?

I *know* it.

I remember when Israel offered the Palestinians all of Gaza, 97% of the West Bank in one contiguous block, and East Jerusalem as their capital. To my horror, they were even going to let the Palestinians have the Temple Mount.

They were so close to 100% of the West Bank, that all it would have taken is a bit of negotiation if the Palestinians wanted to get to that point.

But the Palestinians reacted to the negotiations with a massive wave of suicide bombings to massacre innocent Israelis, and eventually the Labor government fell, and Labor has not been in power since.

So long as the Palestinians keep attacking Israel, the Israeli voters will keep electing people like Sharon and Netanyahu. But should the day come that everyone stops attacking Israel and tries making peace with them, it shouldn't be too hard to convince the Israeli voters to elect a Labor government once again (so long as the peace was genuine).

georgeob1 wrote:

=> What about East Jerusalem?
=> What about the 300,000 Israeli settlers who occupy about 35 % of the territory of the West Bank?

If the Palestinians were willing to make peace, they would get East Jerusalem, and the settlers would be withdrawn.

georgeob1 wrote:

=> What about the security wall Israel has built that isolates about 2/3rds of the territory of the West Bank behind an Israeli securtity barrier?

That came only after it became clear that negotiations were impossible.

It only cuts about 10% of the West Bank off from the Palestinian side. Since the Palestinians have no intention of making peace, it will become the new border of Israel.

georgeob1 wrote:

Soon after the 1967 War Israel announced that it would never give up control of the western Jordan valley and the heights over the valley, as well as Jerusalem and areas around Lake Tiberius(Galilee). They have never modified these assertions. All of those lands are part of the West bank and together they comprise a very significant part.

Israel offered to give them up in 2000/2001.

They will not easily forget that all they got in return was suicide bombers slaughtering their kids.

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@BDV,

BDV wrote:

I hope beyond anything that the people of palestine find peace, humanity and a life for their children

Until the Palestinians are willing to be peaceful to others, they will not find others willing to be peaceful to them.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

No, not at all. Such a state is an anachronism in the modern world. Given that Israel was created by forcibly evicting its former residents, I believe some negotiated right of return is a practical necessity.

That's not going to happen. But if the Palestinians ever attempt peace, they will be able to have their own state.

georgeob1 wrote:

The only path to peace and security for the Jewish population of Israel is for them to do justice to and make peace with their neighbors.

The path also requires their neighbors being willing to do justice to and make peace with Israel.

That's the part people have been neglecting so far.

georgeob1 wrote:

Certainly the path they have been on since 1947 cannot be sustained, and the political & financial cost to my country for aiding them since 1967 has become both too great and obnoxious for a growing number of Americans.

Nonsense. The financial cost is trivial. The only political cost is that we have to listen to thugs like izzythepush whine at us.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

That's right, equate support for Palestine with anti-semitism

What you call "support for Palestinians" IS anti-Semitism.

izzythepush wrote:

and throw in an insult at the same time. You really do know how to debate a topic.

Ease up on the hypocrisy there. You've thrown more insults than anyone.

izzythepush wrote:

I suppose prominant Jewish supporters of Palestinian self-determination like Gerald Kauffman, Alexi Sayle and Stephen Fry are also anti-semitic. Sorry, I know, they're self-hating Jews.

Hatred of one's own culture is frequently a trait of extremists of any stripe.

izzythepush wrote:

You really are unable to discuss the treatment of the Palestinians aren't you? I guess that what comes of you being so clever 'n all.

Palestinians are treated like violent thugs for a very straightforward reason: They're violent thugs.

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