Palestinian Solidarity Campaign disrupts Israeli Concert. Yeah!!!

If your "people power" claim can be shown to have saved one life, or even to have converted one person to your cause, then you might have a point. I suspect the opposite might be true.

I know the Fundamentalists hope the Jews will convert when they see Christ descending from Heaven in a nimbus of holy fire, but not to the extent that they aren't willing to sacrifice a few Bagel Benders to the tender mercies of Satan in order to facilitate The Rapture.

You being a bitter old Jew and all, I would have thought that you held Pastor Hagee in low regard.

But who knows?

Yours is a very interesting perspective Foofie, and I've enjoyed this thread very much as a result.

I'm rarely nonplussed, but Foofie does that to me. I admit that I don't get into bunches of arguments with data back up hurling, though I appreciate data links generally.

This post of his (I assume but am not sure Foofie isn't a woman) really stops me, as in how can this be?

"You also, in my opinion, flippantly disenfranchise the 60 million Christian Zionists in the U.S., and others elsewhere, from their needing Israel to continue to exist as a Zionist state, based on their faith's theology. I understand that you have posted your lack of following your childhood religious teachings; however, I do find people from a Catholic background often showing an attitude that the world would be better off with assimilated Jews (aka, no Jews). That is just my opinion, since I have noticed that so many people of a Catholic background seem to find it very hard to commiserate with the Jewish awareness of almost being exterminated in WWII, and how that has resulted in a desire for a Jewish state."


This guy is out to lunch, at least in my lifetime and places.


Edit - and I read widely.

He is out to lunch. The Zionists were in Palestine literally generations before World War II, and they had a plan then. The Zionists who made the Israeli state were not threatened by the holocaust, but have shamelessly exploited the guilt angle to further their ends. There is a problem with the idea that the Jews, in particular, are entitled to a homeland, while the same concept is not applied to other dispossessed and murdered ethnic groups, such as the Roma. The main problem, though, is that the Zionists don't just want a Jewish state, they want it in Palestine, and they have been practicing ethnic cleansing since before the Israeli state existed in order to have their Jewish state.

Just as with Foofie, appeals to the holocaust, and the inclusion of pogroms, does not address the issue of whether or not Zionists are entitled to dispossess a people in situ simply because, among other tactics, they successfully manipulate christian guilt about how Jews were treated in Europe.

If only life were that simple ! All I know is that we Brits sleep relatively peacefully in our beds, while distant "God-ists" and "nationalists" from either side engage in perpetual blood-letting and tit-for-tat tribalism. We have the luxury of commenting on "the land issue"( with no apparent consequence to ourselves), as though there were a practical or just solution to this, despite the fact that so far, the most intelligent negotiators have got nowhere.

It's not a question of boredom, and as usual, you just don't get it. No matter what someone else has done to Jews, that does not legitimize the oppression and murder of Palestinians.