As someone who is Jewish, I was proud to take part in the protests at the Royal Albert Hall against the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra. Those who proclaim that politics and culture don't mix, when they keep silent as the Freedom Theatre in Jenin is under constant attack by the Israeli military, its premises ransacked and two workers detained without trial, are a prime example of western hypocrisy. Culture, art and sport cannot be divorced from their social context. When I took part in demonstrations in 1970 against the Springbok rugby tour, this same argument was used. The BBC's attitude to broadcasting the all-white South African cricket team then was exactly the same as it is today towards Israel's cultural ambassadors. However, the Guardian and Daily Telegraph's cricket correspondents, John Arlott and Jim Swanton, took a principled stance, refusing to commentate for the BBC. The reason why Israel funds and subsidises artists, musicians and writers to travel abroad is stated in the contract that they sign. The artist agrees they will "promote the policy interests of the State of Israel via culture and art". Who would now say that it would have been wrong to mix politics and culture and disrupt the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra and the performances of their famous conductor, Wilhelm Furtwangler, when they toured in the 1930s?
Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods
• Demonstrators, protesting against the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians, disrupt the Israel Philharmonic's Prom. Reminds me of when demonstrators, protesting against the Soviet government's treatment of Jews, disrupted the Bolshoi Ballet in 1974. Shakespeare, Twelfth Night: "Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges."
Gerald Kaufman MP
Labour, Manchester Gorton
The Blockade is "illegal," the settlements are "illegal," Israel is "illegal."
Are they "illegal" by Israeli law?
Is there a nation in the world that is judged (and misjudged) by international law than Israel?
A Hamas and PLO Hater would be more accurate.
Quote:Let's keep this thread about Israel, Foofie and the Palestineans. Please wait for St. Patrick's Day to wax nostalgic about Irish history.
Leaving aside the fact that I started this thread, and I didn't make it about Foofie, Ireland is very relevant. The hatred between Catholics and Protestants goes back centuries. Even with the peace process and power sharing they've had to build wall between the two communities in some places. Despite all this, things are significantly better now than they were before.
Israel/Palestine does not go back nearly so far, but the hatred's the same. Things will never improve until the two sides sit down together and both sides make concessions.
Let's keep this thread about Israel, Foofie and the Palestineans. Please wait for St. Patrick's Day to wax nostalgic about Irish history. I'll even then do my rendition of Old Danny Boy, a la Dennis Day on the Jack Benny Show.
Well, it's already about many more things than just that, including the historically forgetful self-righteousne of many Europeans - as illistrated by Izzie, and the remarkable rights you have claimed for Jews everywhere.
I believe the analogy with the still evolving situation in Northern Ireland is very apt and instructive for everyone here. One of the key factors leading to the breakdown of the former oppressive impasse in Northern Ireland was the decision of the British to end their former unquestioning support for the intolerant demands of their Unionists clients. In earlier years industrial Northern Ireland was an important economic and political adjunct to British economic and political power, By 1980 that had long ceased to be the case, and in those circumstances Britain finalkly chose to do the right thing. To some extent there is an analogy here with the role of the United Stated with respect to Israel. We can see that unfolding today.
Clearly I sympathize with your position on Israel, but if you keep generalizing in a negative way about Gentiles, we will have to part ways.
Jews undoubtedly have a history of being oppressed, but to suggest that all Gentiles have, to one degree or another, a measure of anti-Semticism is simply wrongheaded.
ossobuco wrote:I didn't know before this thread about Foofie's seeming total paranoia.
It seems to be based on his disdain and hatred for the world which in turn is based on his superiority delusions.
The state of Israel will always struggle with legitimacy whilst it continues to oppress the Palestinians.
It sure is convenient, though, for the feeble Zionist fig leaves to call any critic a Jew hater. Saves the shithooks the trouble of actually attempting to defend the indefensible.