Palestinian Solidarity Campaign disrupts Israeli Concert. Yeah!!!

You're comparing Hitler to God?

Hell, they've been pressured into making concessions while Palestinian leaders call for their extermination.

Because you are not anti-Semetic is entirely immaterial, and somehow I doubt you would find an argument similar to yours that substituted Blacks for Jews persuasive.

I don't have a clue as to who Foofie may be, but there is a damned good chance that he can identify close relatives who were gassed in Nazi camps, and a pretty good chance that he can identify relatives who were slaughtered in Russian pograms.

There are far more incidents of so-called "hate crimes" against Jews in America than members of any other religion ( including Islam), this doesn't mean that America is a fundamentally dangerous place for Jews, but it totally belies any notion that anti-Semitism shouldn't be a concern.

I don't believe that Liberals are fundamentally anti-Semetic, but thanks to the success of Israel they long since taken Jews off their favored victim list. It doesn't help of course, that they, generally,have pale complexions. Big points to the favored victim classes if they are brown or darker. Red qualifies but not yellow which, apparently, is too close to white.

The comparison between the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the Protestant/Catholic conflict in Northern Ireland has very limited application.

No matter how violent and extreme the clash between The IRA and The Unionists was, it was not existential.

If the Protestants had desired to and been successful in driving the Catholics from Northern Ireland, they would have made their way into Ireland, or even the UK where they would have been more than free to practice their religion and preserve their culture. I've no doubt that many of them had family ties to the North that dated far back, and that it would have been a hardship for them to leave, but they would not have lost a nation or have been cast into a region where they were not welcome.

Palestinians driven from Israel have Palestine, as the Catholics had Ireland. For the Jews there is only Israel.

This is not to minimize the impact of being forced from one's home, but to emphasize the stakes for Israelis.

The goal of Catholics was not to overrun Northern Ireland and effectively render it a Cathlolic region, but this is the goal of the Palestinians as respects The Right of Return.

You seem to think there is not much that Israelis have to lose if they accept a position as a minority within a Greater Palestine, but when has a Jewish minority ever felt completely secure, and more times than not, they have been a target. Why should they ever trust Palestinan Muslims to honor and protect their rights?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Comparing Israelis to Nazis is at best ignorant, and at worst obscene.

It all depends on what you mean by nazi. Clearly no-one is suggesting the Israelis are setting up death camps. To do so would be obscene, but the behaviour of the settlers towards the Palestinians is not dissimilar to the way the brownshirts behaved in the 1930s.

Foofie wrote:

You're comparing Hitler to God?

I'm comparing the behaviour of the brownshirts to the settlers. You're the one making huge leaps in logic.

I think comparing the Israeli settlers to the American settlers in the 19th century west would make more sense. Guess who would be the "wild" Indians?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The comparison between the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the Protestant/Catholic conflict in Northern Ireland has very limited application.

No matter how violent and extreme the clash between The IRA and The Unionists was, it was not existential.

It appears that the contesting parties did not agree with that assessment judging by their propaganda. Read some of the stuff from the Provisional IRA or Orangement like the Ian Paisely (of old). Certainly under the Stormont government Irish Catholics could not expect a fair shake in the country either economically or politically.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

If the Protestants had desired to and been successful in driving the Catholics from Northern Ireland, they would have made their way into Ireland, or even the UK where they would have been more than free to practice their religion and preserve their culture. I've no doubt that many of them had family ties to the North that dated far back, and that it would have been a hardship for them to leave, but they would not have lost a nation or have been cast into a region where they were not welcome.

Your knowledge of the history is deficient. The Protestants of Northern Ireland are descendents of Calvinist Scots imported to the country by England in the wake of a nearly successful uprising by the Irish leaders of Ulster. From the British perspective this was a clever way of using one obnoxious minority to help them defeat another. This occurred in the midst of the religious wars of the 16th and 17th centuries, and the Calvinist newcomers to northern Ireland shared a world view similar to that of their brethren among the forebears of the white supremicists of South Africa, another group of similar emigrees whose minds froze at the same moment in European history. They too were very effective in displacing the former occupants of the land from land, property and in many cases their lives. So the analogy with the conflicts arising from the mass immigration of persecuted European Jews is very apt.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Palestinians driven from Israel have Palestine, as the Catholics had Ireland. For the Jews there is only Israel.

This is not to minimize the impact of being forced from one's home, but to emphasize the stakes for Israelis.

The problem is neither the Irish of Northern Ireland nor the Palestinians deserved what happened to them or what was forcibly taken from them.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The goal of Catholics was not to overrun Northern Ireland and effectively render it a Cathlolic region, but this is the goal of the Palestinians as respects The Right of Return.

How are they any different. Catholics have been in the majority in Northern Ireland for a long time. Many did leave. Though the Unionists constantly alleged that the Catholics would become intolerant masters if the longstanting Orange oppression of them were ever relaxed, that didn't happen. The right of return claimed by Palestinians does not imply that they intend to destroy the Jews of Israel. Like the former Orangement of Northern Ireland the Israelis frequently use that slander as an excuse for their continued oppression. However the truth is the Palestinians lack both the ability and very likely the intent to to so - exactly as has occurred in Northern Ireland.

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I think comparing the Israeli settlers to the American settlers in the 19th century west would make more sense. Guess who would be the "wild" Indians?

Who would you suggest plays the role of the US government, intent on eliminating the owners of the land?

Rin Tin Tin.

Let's keep this thread about Israel, Foofie and the Palestineans. Please wait for St. Patrick's Day to wax nostalgic about Irish history.

. . .the western world still perceives Jews as inherently different

Let's keep this thread about Israel, Foofie and the Palestineans. Please wait for St. Patrick's Day to wax nostalgic about Irish history. I'll even then do my rendition of Old Danny Boy, a la Dennis Day on the Jack Benny Show.

Foofie posts a lot on this thread and gets to be answered with our differing points of view.