Palestinian Solidarity Campaign disrupts Israeli Concert. Yeah!!!

@InfraBlue,

I didn't know before this thread about Foofie's seeming total paranoia.

I was raised Catholic in LA, New York, Chicago, and again in the Los Angeles area. Never, even in the only one of my schools to be sort of rabidly catholic (I only capitalized that first one to show you I know catholics (religion) differentiate on the word spelling) was I instilled with hatred of Jews.

I am probably as old as Foofie. For me, that means I've known and talked at length with a lot of people. I don't have, and haven't had, any friends or acquaintances I know who are anti-semitic. My first love was a jewish atheist, and opened up from there. I'm an atheist now, but batches of people I care about are from different religions. I recognize hidden agendas, and I don't see silent anti semitism abounding. I don't deny it exists out there, especially on the internet as not so silent, but you're living in a bubble when you describe it as widely as you do.

Foofie, do you ever go out your door? Your view seems very enclosed, even encapsulated. I don't suppose we can joust you from your well ensconced view, but I've got to speak up and say that your take is not opened eyed. It also may be that people are reacting against you personally, since you are so adamant about others.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

No, you snide son-of-a-bitch, they should behave like civilized people wherever they now live, and stop acting like Nazis in Israel.

This is what I wrote that you now call me a "snide son-of-a-bitch":

Foofie wrote:
"You've sold me. Jews should emigrate somewhere else and make that land its Zionist State. Any suggestions? Preferably a temperate climate, since the Czar was "breeding" my ancestors (a la raping Cossacks) for a colder clime.

Are you offering any place in particular? Or, should they go to the moon?"

The above is not "snide." It is sarcastic, based on your apparent flippant approach to the obvious eventuality that Jews would be exiled from Israel, after the "Palestineans" took over.

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Comparing Israelis to Nazis is at best ignorant, and at worst obscene.

Declaring Israel is imperialistic is merely ignorant.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Foofie wrote:
Mind you, anti-Semitism is not just pogroms or holocausts. It is also the clannishness one finds in Gentiles.

Oy vey! Talk about projection.

Which came first, Foofie's clannishness, or the world's clannishness?

No. First came Gentile mediocrity, and then to not have Jewish emphasis on learning watered down, they became clannish. Do you know how hard it was to live with an illiterate world of peasants for almost two millenia? Thank God Protestants had to be literate to read the bible. Bless the Reformation.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Foofie wrote:
The Haganah was not the official State of Israel military. You are quoting facts during the British Mandate.
The fact that the Haganah was not the official state of Israel military does not negate the fact that the Zionists perpetrated ethnic cleansing at the time of the end of the British Mandate.

You mean Jews, don't you? The same Jews that Killed Christ two millenia ago?

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

You mean Jews, don't you? The same Jews that Killed Christ two millenia ago?

It's just as well you didn't challenge Osso when she accused you of being paranoid.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

How would you describe the daily humiliation of Palestinians?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Comparing Israelis to Nazis is at best ignorant, and at worst obscene.

Declaring Israel is imperialistic is merely ignorant.

How about comparing America to Nazi Germany, Finn, declaring that the US is imperialistic? Are you closer in agreement there?

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

I didn't know before this thread about Foofie's seeming total paranoia.

I'll be back in a moment; I'm busy looking under rocks for old Nazis.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

How would you describe the daily humiliation of Palestinians?

About like that of the people of India during the long years of empire; or that of the people of 19th century Ireland.

Don't step to high and too quickly on your, very new and untested, moral platform.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Comparing Israelis to Nazis is at best ignorant, and at worst obscene.

It all depends on what you mean by nazi. Clearly no-one is suggesting the Israelis are setting up death camps. To do so would be obscene, but the behaviour of the settlers towards the Palestinians is not dissimilar to the way the brownshirts behaved in the 1930s.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

How would you describe the daily humiliation of Palestinians?

I can't. However, the smart ones, in my opinion, get to Europe or the U.S.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

izzythepush wrote:

How would you describe the daily humiliation of Palestinians?

About like that of the people of India during the long years of empire; or that of the people of 19th century Ireland.

Don't step to high and too quickly on your, very new and untested, moral platform.

Or the behaviour of the Americans towards the Sioux.

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@Foofie,

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However, the smart ones, in my opinion, get to Europe or the U.S.

That would suggest getting away from the benevolent Israelis.

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@ossobuco,

Because you are not anti-Semetic is entirely immaterial, and somehow I doubt you would find an argument similar to yours that substituted Blacks for Jews persuasive.

I don't have a clue as to who Foofie may be, but there is a damned good chance that he can identify close relatives who were gassed in Nazi camps, and a pretty good chance that he can identify relatives who were slaughtered in Russian pograms.

There are far more incidents of so-called "hate crimes" against Jews in America than members of any other religion ( including Islam), this doesn't mean that America is a fundamentally dangerous place for Jews, but it totally belies any notion that anti-Semitism shouldn't be a concern.

I don't believe that Liberals are fundamentally anti-Semetic, but thanks to the success of Israel they long since taken Jews off their favored victim list. It doesn't help of course, that they, generally,have pale complexions. Big points to the favored victim classes if they are brown or darker. Red qualifies but not yellow which, apparently, is too close to white.

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I finally think I understand the belief that a nation based on one religion is anathema to the 21st century. But, it should not be just a perfunctory heterogenous state. So, while people would have a church, mosque, synagogue to attend, the ability to maintain that heterogeneity depends on not brain-washing the children with clannish beliefs. So, a one state solution would be acceptable for Israel, in my worthless opinion, as long as we abolished religious schools world-wide. No more U.S. parochial schools to prevent public schools from proselytizing a Protestant version of American on Catholic children. That would include Europe and South America, naturally. Just public schools, or home schooling. (That can have a religious bent, since parents are allowed to teach their children religion. It mandates it in the New Testament, I thought.)

Now, I am a product of public schooling, and I have not lost my Jewish identity, secular as it is.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Comparing Israelis to Nazis is at best ignorant, and at worst obscene.

It all depends on what you mean by nazi. Clearly no-one is suggesting the Israelis are setting up death camps. To do so would be obscene, but the behaviour of the settlers towards the Palestinians is not dissimilar to the way the brownshirts behaved in the 1930s.

You're comparing Hitler to God? The settlers are usually orthodox Jews that only salute God. The Brown Shirts, well you know who they saluted.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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but there is a damned good chance that he can identify close relatives who were gassed in Nazi camps, and a pretty good chance that he can identify relatives who were slaughtered in Russian pograms.

Consider what a couple of Vietnamese on this forum might be able to identify, Finn. Or some Nicaraguans, or Koreans, even those from the south, you know, those lucky ones who have been fortunate enough to have the US save them for democracy.

Is there any particular reason for your blind selectivity?

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@izzythepush,

Self-imposed.

There is sufficient international pressure exerted upon Israel that if the Palestinians chose leaders who were willing to renounce violence and negotiate in good faith,the Israelis would have no choice but to make concessions. Hell, they've been pressured into making concessions while Palestinian leaders call for their extermination.

There are far worse things to endure than so-called humiliation. If you don't believe me, ask a Jew.

Whatever the actual extent of Palestinian suffering, I, of course, would like to see it come to an end. I'm sure there is no shortage of decent Palestinians who love their families and who just want to live a life of peace. However, they can't dodge the fact that they keep supporting leaders who are working to make their lives more miserable.

If you vote for a terrorist organization to govern you, I'm afraid I don't ignore this fact when considering your plight.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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However, the smart ones, in my opinion, get to Europe or the U.S.

That would suggest getting away from the benevolent Israelis.

Correct. And the heat. Who would want to live in a hot climate like that without Arizona golf courses, or Florida beaches?

Look, Israel, in my opinion, is just a booby prize after WWII. By all rights, Jews, based on their industriousness would have done better with making Canada a high-tech nation for Hebrews. But, since that didn't happen, they got a stinking desert.

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