Islam miracles.

Well still you havent really explained why you previously said the Quran has been changed. I am going to reapeat this again, the Quran is the same one it used during prophet Muhammed's(pbuh) time. Whereas all the other religious books has been changed and altered by people. The Quran has not been altered, and the proof of that is that if you go anywhere in the world, Muslims recite the Quran exactly the same. THE ARABIC HAS NOT CHANGED.

Scholars like Mr. Luxenberg and Gerd-R. Puin, who teaches at Saarland University in Germany, have returned to the earliest known copies of the Koran in order to grasp what it says about the document's origins and composition. Mr. Luxenberg explains these copies are written without vowels and diacritical dots that modern Arabic uses to make it clear what letter is intended. In the eighth and ninth centuries, more than a century after the death of Muhammad, Islamic commentators added diacritical marks to clear up the ambiguities of the text, giving precise meanings to passages based on what they considered to be their proper context. Mr. Luxenberg's radical theory is that many of the text's difficulties can be clarified when it is seen as closely related to Aramaic, the language group of most Middle Eastern Jews and Christians at the time.

For example, the famous passage about the virgins is based on the word hur, which is an adjective in the feminine plural meaning simply ''white.'' Islamic tradition insists the term hur stands for ''houri,'' which means virgin, but Mr. Luxenberg insists that this is a forced misreading of the text. In both ancient Aramaic and in at least one respected dictionary of early Arabic, hur means ''white raisin.''

Mesquite,
I first claimed that the Quran is the word of God.Then Wilso said that it was not. So then I was the first one to pose the question to prove the Quran is not the word of God. If someone asked me first then it would have been a different case. So then go ahead and do it. Since many of you guys can feel free to bash on the Bible, then why dont you try your same approach to the Quran. Please I am eager to hear from you guys.

I read that article about Luxenberg when it first came out. This is nothing new.

Mr. Wansbrough insisted that the text of the Koran appeared to be a composite of different voices or texts compiled over dozens if not hundreds of years. After all, scholars agree that there is no evidence of the Koran until 691 -- 59 years after Muhammad's death -- when the Dome of the Rock mosque in Jerusalem was built, carrying several Koranic inscriptions.

These inscriptions differ to some degree from the version of the Koran that has been handed down through the centuries, suggesting, scholars say, that the Koran may have still been evolving in the last decade of the seventh century. Moreover, much of what we know as Islam -- the lives and sayings of the Prophet -- is based on texts from between 130 and 300 years after Muhammad's death.

Mesquite, it's called flogging a dead horse.

very rude and biggotish thing to say, Micah. How would you feel if you were talking about Christianity on a forum (in a more civilized manner than you do) and someone said that you should be arrested for your beliefs because of what happened in the crusades? Not everyone is = to their stereotype, and only a specific kind of Islamic fundamentalists (who we helped gain power by giving them weapons to fight Soviets, I might add) atacked the united states. QKid said nothing about blowing up people who disagreed with him, and it was incredibly rude for you to assume so. You can disagree with someone's beliefs and not be a biggot. I think if you want to act like a decent person, you should apologise.


[also, ever heard the expression: you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar?]

I think you're right. And that would explain why I thought he could write sometimes but not others, and why he doesn't know how to converse.

Maybe he is a religious chat bot !

Yeah, that's why I thought he was in a cult. I'm putting my money on dramatic life-changing event which is making him that way. Like, repressed thought and utter belief because someone close to him was killed in a horrible way or somthing like that. And there is always insanity, not caused by anything specifically.

I've given up on thinking he was kidding or doing an experiment. He is too serious and persistent.

Did you find a lost portion of the bible, or did you take one person's diety and apply it to a new version of a mystery cult?

How did you learn to read and write? Where are you from? What is the name of your group? What are you trying to accomplish by posting here?

Everything you have written is suspect because it is unquoted and non-sensical. It is half-assed capitalized metaphor put into a sort of aged sounding format. I see no truth, I see evidence of foolhardiness or brainwashing.

So, you're from California. I know there are some strange religious organizations there. Is that where the branch dividians are from?

you posted a whole lot of text, still haven't told me where it has come from. Like I said, it is metaphoric and most of it doesn't make sense (how could I pick out one strand from a sea of nonsense?) I feel like I'm trying to explain that the sun is light.

And I wasn't kidding about you being a cultist, or a troller. What is the name of your following?

Micah, I hope that you can have the strength to get help (or realize you are in need of it.)

OOH you're a cultist! Those are even more fun than plain ol' devoutly religious. I'm suprised they let you use the internet. Are you supervised at a public terminal? (Do you need help?)

So you are diverting self-responsibility by trying to shift the blame to me?

Every one of those statements were based on things you said. You have been exceedingly rude to anyone who has a different viewpoint than you, especially Asherman when he was taking about his experience with Buddhism. I was noticing trends in your posts and pointing them out. As I said before, Qkid said nothing about bombing anyone, but you immediately made that assumption.
Negative beliefs about a person based on evidence = acceptable
Negative beliefs about a person based on assumption = biggot.

Micah, you aren't winning any friends or influencing any people here. The FBI statement, if it was indeed made in jest, was in extremely poor taste. It would be like commenting on the six year old victim of a rape and murder and saying "I'll bet she was tight."

It would be like commenting on the six year old victim of a rape and murder and saying "I'll bet she was tight."

hobitbob wrote:

It would be like commenting on the six year old victim of a rape and murder and saying "I'll bet she was tight."

in this thread we were given a web link that showed a picture of the tumbling world trade center, in addition, the so-called prophecy from the koran trying to show it was God who brought down the world trade center...your own apathy over-rides your ability to see the humor in my FBI comment....

all i said was, "we should alert the FBI"

we can see what your twisted mind came up with....

i do pity you....

I did not see the picture of the world trade center falling, if that is so than I revoke my statement that you should apologise or are in the wrong.

Portal Star wrote:

I did not see the picture of the world trade center falling, if that is so than I revoke my statement that you should apologise or are in the wrong.

The WTC picture was in a link in this post. I posted the link as an example of the dangerously deluded. It was in no way a reference to Qkid, so IMO Micah was still out of line.