izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 12:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


Izzy,
suppose that your favorite person (or favorite people)
were abruptly beset with predators, giving rise to a dangerous situation.


If my loved ones decided to go into an environment full of savage beasts there would be a need for a gun then, but they're not in such an environment. They're a lot safer over here than they would be if all and sundry were allowed to carry weapons. You're very good at anecdotal evidence, here's one for you. If he had not been able to get hold of a handgun his wife would still be alive.

Quote:
Patsy D. Long, 34, of Deep Water, was pronounced dead early Saturday evening after being shot in the chest with a .22-caliber handgun.
Patsy Long was standing outside the residence while her husband was installing a satellite television system.
According to sheriff's department spokesman Maj. Robert Hills, Ronald Long fired a shot from the inside of their home after several unsuccessful efforts to punch a hole through the exterior wall using other means. Investigators said Ronald Long believed his family was inside the house.
He told authorities that he fired a second shot, then called out his wife's name and the names of their two children. When he got no reply, he ran outside and found his wounded wife.
Patsy Long was hit by the second of two shots fired by Ronald Long, the Henry County Sheriff's Department said.
Hills said a person involved in such a case normally would be charged with manslaughter, but that was up to the prosecutor.
"Once we complete a diagram of the incident, we will be submitting everything to the prosecuting attorney and let him decide if he wants to press criminal charges," Hills said.
Hills described the family as being very "distraught."
Henry County Coroner Scott Largent declined to release details about Patsy Long's death until the Sheriff's Department completes its investigation.

Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 01:07 pm
There are more use of firearms in defense then in offense. The # of people killed per year in the US with a firearm is between 10,000 to 20,000 people. At that same time there are over 2 million uses of firearms in self defense. John Lott has written a few books about firearms and the US.

Here are some sites that provide stories about the use of guns in self defense.

http://gunssavelives.net/
http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/stats.html
http://justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/19/clerk-kills-would-be-robber-who-grabbed-daughter/?test=latestnews
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 01:13 pm
@izzythepush,
Your story does nothing but tell the story of a stupid person.

Who shoots through their walls to create a hole for their satellite TV cables? Stupid people that's who. These are the same people who on a daily basis earn Darwin Awards.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 01:17 pm
@Baldimo,
A stupid person who can legally obtain a gun. We don't let our stupid people do that.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 01:28 pm
@izzythepush,
From the sounds of it, you don't let anyone do that whether they are stupid or not.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 01:58 pm
@Baldimo,
Yes, and our gun crime statistics tell their own story.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 03:13 pm
@izzythepush,
The K31 rifle was a total marvel of early 20'th century engineering, every facet of which was intended for one purpose i.e. to mess German minds so badly that Germans would never want any part of invading Switzerland. Even the fricking bullets the thing used, which had a narrow band around 2mm which miked at around 308 while the rest miked around 302-303 i.e. low friction but still seal the rifle bore and outrange German guns by three or four hundred meters.

To top everything else the thing was a straight-pull bolt action rifle i.e. the main blessings of a semiauto without the complexity or failure modes and that's something you generally find only in gentlemens' hunting rifles today, Blasers and the like and the starting price is around $5000.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 03:45 pm
@gungasnake,
From Wikipedia
Quote:
Several inquiries have been made into the conduct of Swiss banks during the Nazi Germany period (1933–1945), especially regarding funds deposited by or allegedly stolen from victims of the Holocaust. The campaign causing the highest outlays ($1.25 billion in 1999) on the part of the Swiss banking industry as of 2009 was the World Jewish Congress lawsuit against Swiss banks launched by Edgar Bronfman, president of the World Jewish Congress, in concert with US Senator Alfonse d'Amato of New York.

The audit run by the Volcker commission which resulted from this lawsuit cost CHF 300 million and gave its final report in December 1999. It determined that the 1999 book value of all dormant accounts possibly belonging to victims of Nazi persecution that were unclaimed, closed by the Nazis, or closed by unknown persons was CHF 95 million. Of this total, CHF 24 million were "probably" related to victims of Nazi persecution.[38] In addition the commission found "no proof of systematic destruction of records of victim accounts, organized discrimination against the accounts of victims of Nazi persecution, or concerted efforts to divert the funds of victims of Nazi persecution to improper purposes." It also "confirmed evidence of questionable and deceitful actions by some individual banks in the handling of accounts of victims"
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 05:12 pm
@izzythepush,
Banking is what those people normally do for a living; operating a bank never saved anybody from the Adolf Hitlers of the world. The thing which saved the Swiss from Hitler is the K31 rifle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K31

Quote:
....The K31 is noted for its straight-pull action, meaning that the bolt is pulled directly back, then pushed forward to cycle the action between shots, rather than being turned and pulled back and forth, as in the Mosin Nagant pattern rifles such as the M1891, or as in the more well known Mauser pattern rifles such as the K98k.

K31s are also noted for their excellent accuracy and quality. The Swiss considered individual marksmanship to be of utmost importance. Therefore, the K31 was made with tight tolerances and excellent overall craftsmanship. Many shooters are able to achieve one minute of arc with unmodified K31s.....


http://www.vimbar.com/v_images/Swiss-K-31-Sniper.gif
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 05:32 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
A stupid person who can legally obtain a gun.
We don't let our stupid people do that.
Mensa began in England, by the union of 2 English barristers in 1945,
but we have NEVER argued that ONLY intelligent people deserve to LIVE.
Less intelligent people have as much right to defend their lives
as do the I.Q. elite. The less intelligent people even have an equal right to vote,
since thay will be equally required to obay the law.

If, thru gun control (i.e., discrimination in the legal right to possess
defensive emergency equipment) government intimidates people
from being prepared to defend their lives, then that government
has, in effect, declared a death sentence upon everyone who complies therewith,
to be executed IN THE DISCRETION of any predators upon those people.

There r no intelligence tests for the legal right to vote.
There shoud be no intelligence tests for the legal right to defend one 's life from predatory violence.





David
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 05:48 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Yes, and our gun crime statistics tell their own story.


The fact that your murders are (usually) committed without guns doesn't make the murder victims any less dead.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 05:49 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
If my loved ones decided to go into an environment full of savage beasts there would be a need for a gun then, but they're not in such an environment. They're a lot safer over here than they would be if all and sundry were allowed to carry weapons.


No, they aren't safer. The only difference is the lack of freedom.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 06:12 pm
@oralloy,

izzythepush wrote:
Yes, and our gun crime statistics tell their own story.
oralloy wrote:
The fact that your murders are (usually) committed without guns doesn't make the murder victims any less dead.
I 'm just speculating here,
but I think that its probably nicer to get shot
than it is to get beaten to death over half an hour.





David
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 09:59 pm
I know Poop is sitting there drooling over that picture of the K31 rifle.

Simple solution there, Poop: move to a free country and then buy one...
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2011 01:30 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Banking is what those people normally do for a living; operating a bank never saved anybody from the Adolf Hitlers of the world. The thing which saved the Swiss from Hitler is the K31 rifle.


You really are monomaniacal. After the war the Swiss banks were still functioning, all the banks in Germany were taken over by the Allies/Soviets. The top Nazis all hated each other, Switzerland's secrecy meant they could stash money without other Nazis being aware of it. What else did Switzerland have other than secrecy?

I'm not attracted to firearms, I'm attracted to women, although I do understand that people with inadequate genitalia use firearms to compensate. I wouldn't want to live in a 'free' country where my children are forces to swear militaristic pledges of allegiance, I'm forced to carry photo ID, there's no Universal Health Care and inadequates like Oralboy are allowed automatic weapons. I have been to America anyway. Oralboy wouldn't be allowed into the UK, not unless he had been thoroughly examined by a vet and put in quarantine for three months.

It's not just gun crime that's higher in America, but all homicides, see link. So you're more likely to be beaten to death in America than Britain. You can keep your 'freedoms' thank you very much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2011 04:07 am
@izzythepush,
gungasnake wrote:
Banking is what those people normally do for a living; operating a bank never saved anybody from the Adolf Hitlers of the world.
The thing which saved the Swiss from Hitler is the K31 rifle.
izzythepush wrote:
You really are monomaniacal. After the war the Swiss banks were still functioning, all the banks in Germany were taken over by the Allies/Soviets. The top Nazis all hated each other, Switzerland's secrecy meant they could stash money without other Nazis being aware of it. What else did Switzerland have other than secrecy?
Clocks.



izzythepush wrote:
I'm not attracted to firearms, I'm attracted to women, although I do understand that people with inadequate genitalia
use firearms to compensate.
U anti-freedom types are OBSESSED with our penises.
Maybe its like whistling past a graveyard? I dunno.
Have u personally inspected enuf of them to ascertain the accuracy
of what u allegedly "understand"?? or are u still actively pursuing your interest in this matter??




izzythepush wrote:
I wouldn't want to live in a 'free' country where my children are forces to swear militaristic pledges of allegiance
Have the English ever had military conscription ?
I took it as an invitation to pledge allegiance, not force.
As I see it, pledging allegiance to the Flag
is pledging allegiance to the strangulation of government,
curtailing jurisdiction, so that we will not have socialistic health care, etc.




izzythepush wrote:
, I'm forced to carry photo ID,
O, really??
I am not forced to do that.





izzythepush wrote:
there's no Universal Health Care and inadequates like Oralboy are allowed automatic weapons.
Government was never granted jurisdiction over weapons.
When government was created (after we threw your King 's guys out),
that jurisdiction was expressly withheld.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2011 05:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You are the anti-freedom type. You want to take away our freedom to be free of the fear of falling ill. I prefer our freedoms thank you.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2011 08:00 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I'm not attracted to firearms, I'm attracted to women...


Glad to hear that sex is still legal in England, Poop, but you have to consider that it might not stay that way. In other words, another Cromwell might take over England five years from now and ban sex, and a disarmed population would not be able to do anything about it.

For that matter, the slammites might take over England (they have announced their intention to do just that to the world and the four winds), and you wouldn't be able to do anything about that either. Under sharia law, sex with other humans is for procreation purposes only, anything else has to involve goats or other farm animals.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2011 11:34 am
@gungasnake,
You really are insane butt-cheese. Hawkeye makes more sense than you.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2011 11:35 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You really are monomaniacal. After the war the Swiss banks were still functioning, all the banks in Germany were taken over by the Allies/Soviets. The top Nazis all hated each other, Switzerland's secrecy meant they could stash money without other Nazis being aware of it. What else did Switzerland have other than secrecy?


Chocolate.

Quote:
I'm not attracted to firearms, I'm attracted to women, although I do understand that people with inadequate genitalia use firearms to compensate.


Haven’t heard this one. Sounds like a weak argument against guns. Judging another man’s parts based on his use of guns. Same stupid response to people who have fast cars.

Quote:
I wouldn't want to live in a 'free' country where my children are forces to swear militaristic pledges of allegiance,


I don't seem to recall being "forced" to swear anything. The Pledge has always been an option. The only time I really swore to anything was when I joined the military.

Quote:
I'm forced to carry photo ID


I'm not forced to carry ID either. If I'm driving my car I have to have my driver’s license. I can walk down the street and not have my wallet with me. No check points, no papers request. I can just walk around into and out of stores and no one asks me for anything.

Quote:
there's no Universal Health Care


Thank God for small favors. I work for a good company and I have insurance for my family. I guess that is just a sign of personal responsibility. Why do you feel the need to be taken care of? I got over that when I got married and had a family. At that point it was time to take care of myself and them. It’s a sign of maturity. You should try it some time.

Quote:
It's not just gun crime that's higher in America, but all homicides, see link. So you're more likely to be beaten to death in America than Britain. You can keep your 'freedoms' thank you very much.


People such as you complain about the crime rate in the US but at the same time complain that we have too many people in jail. Which is it? Do we punish people or let crime rates go up?
 

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