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Terror in Norway: Shootout, bomb explosions kill 11

 
 
Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 12:25 pm
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Terror-in-Norway-Shootout-bomb-explosions-kill-11/articleshow/9325916.cms

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OSLO: A bomb devastated the main government building in Norway's capital Oslo on Friday, killing 7 people, and a gunman killed 4 people hours later in a shooting at a youth camp, state media reported.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 12:26 pm
@gungasnake,
Just was going to post something about it, like checked "new posts" to make sure there wasn't something already there, et voila.

Anyway, now looking like the attacks may be related.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705
Irishk
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 12:55 pm
How awful! What kind of people could get that mad at Norway???

Thoughts are with the victims.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 01:00 pm
@sozobe,
The News in English from Norway

As of a couple of minutes ago, this is the latest news:
Anti-terror units were quickly despatched to the Isle of Utoeya and they captured the person believed to be the gunman.
He was described as being white, with blonde hair and around 190cm tall, spoke fluent Norwegian.



Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 01:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Sky's security editor Sam Kiley said a specialist swat team had carried out the arrest.
"The fact they captured him alive is a major breakthrough because they will be able to establish from him if it is an ongoing attack," he said.
"The intelligence community has been expecting that a Mumbai-style attack has been imminent since a year ago.
"The worst-case scenario is not just multiple attacks in one country, but in several countries.
"So we can expect to see a rise in preventative security."
Security expert Bob Ayers said there are only a limited amount of things that can be done to protect people.
"The only thing (authorities) can do is interfere in the planning phase before people are killed.
"If you can not do that, you have to be prepared to react rapidly."
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 01:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
In Foreign Policy, Kristian Berg Harpviken, director of Norway's Peace Research Institute Oslo, explains why the Norwegian capital might have been on a terrorist's short list of potential targets:
Norway's 9/11?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 01:41 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The attacks could have come from the Norwegian right some suggest on Twitter and Norwegian media:
1. due to the suggest of the Progress Party, the extrem right has lost its traditional ground and supporters,
2. Norway would be an odd choice as a Muslim terror target due to its "anti-Israel policy" (Senator Lieberman accused Norway to be anti-semitic)

But who will tell now ....?
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:19 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

How awful! What kind of people could get that mad at Norway???

Thoughts are with the victims.
My guess is: Right Wingers... They stay mad and get madder...
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:28 pm
According to CNN there had been "chatter" concerning Muslim terrorists and Norway prior to these incidents. Obviously this doesn't mean that Muslim terrorists were behind these attacks,but it suggests the possibility.

As for why Muslim terrorists would want to attack Norway, CNN refers tot eh fact that Norway published the Danish political cartoons that depicted Mohammed in a way that infuriated some Muslims.

I think we need to keep in mind that terrorist attacks, of late, have been far more opportunistic than elements of grand strategic plans.

If there is someone in Norway who wants to punish Norway for perceived sins against Islam, and he is not only willing, but able, it's likely that terrorist organizations will provide him with some measure of assistance or even just encouragement.

Virtually every non-Muslim country in the world (as well as some Muslim nations) have pissed of the Islamists in one way or the other, and they can pretty easily justify an attack by a lone wolf surrogate.

Although I've seen no evidence, as yet, that these attacks were connected to Islamism, it's pretty silly to ask "Why Norway? What has Norway done to Muslims?"

Since when are violent lunatics, constrained by logic?

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:38 pm
@Fido,
The Norwegian ultra-right could be behind these attacks, even if it was simply a lone wolf, but each time these attacks occur, a great number of people assume Islamists were involved and a small group of people castigate them for prejudice. At the same time, this same small group of people assume (or hope) that right-wingers are involved.

Far more times, than not, the attacks involve Islamists, not right-wingers, and yet the "small group" keeps castigating and hoping.

Sooner or later a blind squirrel finds an acorn. Perhaps the acorn is Norwegian.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:39 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Well, according to Norwegian websites, the police has confirmed that the arrested man is a (ethic) Norwegian.
Additonally, it is said by experts of the Norwegian police college that he is a member of the Norwegian far right (here: professor Tore Bjørgo from the Politihøgskolen as quoted by the Norwegion radio/tv nrk just a couple of minutes ago again.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:47 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Oslo police chief, Sveinung Sponheim, confirmed that the 32 year old man is perhaps from the eastern part of Norway, and that both attacks have the same background.

There is no confirmation that this group/this man has been previously know by the police. The Oslo police didn't have any information about it before ....
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Correction: it is though that both attacks were done by the same person: a man in police uniform, similar to the one in the holiday camp, was seen before the Oslo explosion as well.

Magnus Suchen Torp, a Swedish terorism expert, who at first linked the attacks to Al Quaida, changed his mind: in an interview with the Swedish agency TT he pointed at the political targets (holiday camp of the Social Democratic Party's youth organisation, Social Democratic led ministries).
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 04:02 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Now, the Norwegian media are comparing the attacks with that of Oklahoma in 1995 - just showing those pics/films again on Norwegian tv ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 04:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The Norwegian ultra-right could be behind these attacks, even if it was simply a lone wolf, but each time these attacks occur, a great number of people assume Islamists were involved and a small group of people castigate them for prejudice. At the same time, this same small group of people assume (or hope) that right-wingers are involved.

Far more times, than not, the attacks involve Islamists, not right-wingers, and yet the "small group" keeps castigating and hoping.

Sooner or later a blind squirrel finds an acorn. Perhaps the acorn is Norwegian.

In February of this year, Janne Kristiansen, the head of Norway's state police intelligence unit PST (Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste), warned that neo-nazism and right wing extremism were on the rise in Norway, and that these people were ready to be violent.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 04:38 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
More bombs seem to be in Oslo, and on the island, explosives were already found according to Oslo police as of 24:00 h (22:00 GMT).

Police clearly thinks that both attacks have the same background.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 07:59 pm
They're saying upwards of 80 dead at the youth camp:

http://www.vg.no/

Either this guy had a belt-fed machinegun or there were several killers.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 11:30 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
According to CNN there had been "chatter" concerning Muslim terrorists and Norway prior to these incidents. Obviously this doesn't mean that Muslim terrorists were behind these attacks,but it suggests the possibility.


And off goes Finn on a pretty sneaky anti-Muslim rant.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 11:48 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Either this guy had a belt-fed machinegun or there were several killers.
The police says that he had two weapons regisered on his name: a machinegun and a Glock.

He's been active on anti-Islam websites.

87 are now said to have been killed.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 12:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm surprised to hear they have registered machine guns in Norway.
 

 
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