Terror in Norway: Shootout, bomb explosions kill 11

Let me make it clear for you RL.. It's complete Bull ****.

I won't even begin to go into the crap about the Rothschilds controlling the banking industry because that has been debunked repeatedly but idiots like you still want to believe it.

Ok I see you have made up your mind!

Here you can see how WRONG that video is.
http://www.thirdamendment.com/nobility.html

And here is another instance of your Bull **** being debunked when they claimed the City of London pays no taxes

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And here is another instance of your Bull **** being debunked when they claimed the City of London pays no taxes

Another interesting reply! Did they say the city of London or did they say the inner city of London, or does it not matter because they are the same?

I started a thread titled {I hate conspiracy theories do you?} check it out!

http://able2know.org/topic/175313-1

Thanks for the potted history lesson. We don't all live in castles you know. We don't want guns in our society, if we want to change the government we have elections. It's not just the rich and powerful who want strict controls on guns.

The fear of revolution is more to do with the puritanical dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell than anything else.

Martin Luther did the same thing in Germany when the peasants rose up for justice... He told them they did not have the right, and advised their extermination....

Everyone with a gun is a perfect democracy in my opinion...People who surrender their weapons which is their right to justice now, have surrendered their freedom and are ready to pull a plough...

Ceili wrote:

I think most extremists are beyond repugnant.

Which extremists do you not find repugnant?

The kind that, in the end, give up their violent ways and work in a peaceful manner to obtain their goals. Like Nelson Mandela and so on...

I don't care if it's religious or political. While I can sympathize a cause, I deplore violence.

I hold a special hatred for people like the Norway bomber. I find it ironic that this man cited many of my heros as his own. I find it hard to believe many of their messages could be lost him, considering the privileges he enjoyed, in a society that had made him rich enough to finance his evil ways. He was well educated, never knew famine, war or disease. He's never know a day of hardship. He lived in a peaceful place and yet he found a reason to inflict pain and suffering on so many.

Because he is evil and insane. For some reason you believe either that affluence should preclude evil insanity or poverty justifies it.

No, he's not insane. Many of his ideas are. Evil, yes. As are many many of the people that spread, preach and believe this brand of extremism. And to clarify many... this would not include the children breast fed an extremist point of view. There is hope for them.

While much of the above could describe Osama Bin Ladin et al, I can't for the life of me understand why someone in England, Norway, Canada or the US could possibly be bothered with far right fundamentalist thinking. I don't understand people who go looking for a fight. I can't for the life of me understand why a person who lived a life like his would have so much to hate. I can't understand why people who live a gilded life compared to so many in the world would have time to burn a cross on someone's lawn or publish a 1500 page manifesto, or bomb and shoot at people who aren't the enemy. It blows my mind.

Mine too, but you, while perhaps acknowledging that bin Laden enjoyed a greater degree of affluence than Brievik, fail to understand that most of the masterminds of Islamist terrorism share the same profile. Even Mohammed who knew he would not return from his his holy attack, was far from an impoverished peasent. The poor bastards who might actually be dirt poor and uneducated are used by the masterminds as bomb-vest fodder.

It's these poor bastards I have some sympathy for, and only them, sort of.

This is why I hold an especially hateful position on extremism, or most specifically white extremism. I hope that clarifies my position.

It certainly does. You have a bigotry for whites. You assume, with no supporting evidence, that all white extremists are affluent and all non-while terrorists are impoverished.

Fido wrote:

Martin Luther did the same thing in Germany when the peasants rose up for justice... He told them they did not have the right, and advised their extermination....

The so-called "peasant revolt" (which actually was as weel a "farmers revolt" [there's only one word in German for both English terms - and both, farmers as well as peasants were taking part in this revolt) was indeed disaaproved by Luther - he was still Catholic in his ideas about society. (Quite opposite acted his student, Thomas Münzer .... who became an Anabaptist. And captured, tortured and decapitated. )

Fido wrote:

Everyone with a gun is a perfect democracy in my opinion...People who surrender their weapons which is their right to justice now, have surrendered their freedom and are ready to pull a plough...

Well, one can have different ideas about that. And about people, who post such.

Without Luther, there would have been no Nietzsche or Hitler...

Fido wrote:

Without Luther, there would have been no Nietzsche or Hitler...

In Nietzsche's case: his schools certainly were coined by the reformation (though the Naumburg Domgymnasium is a lot older).

I can't see the connection between Luther and Hitler, but it's unrelated to this thread as well, I suppose.

Fido was just pointing out that there are no cases of anti-semitism prior to Luther.