Are Outdoorsmen CRAZY ????

@parados,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

When doing so, it is better NOT to be empty handed.

parados wrote:

And you base this on what facts?
Personal experience? Obviously not.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

O, u KNOW ME that well that it is "obvious"; really ??
I don 't think u do.

parados wrote:

Are you now saying I shouldn't take your statement in the opening post as factual?

I am not.

parados wrote:

It's obvious from your opening post that you haven't had contact with bears

That statement is FALSE.
The post does not address that issue.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I have never been a hiker nor a hunter.
I bear good will toward the animals,
but if I were so injudicious as to venture into the wilderness,

How silly of me. I guess I completely disregarded the plethora of bears roaming the streets of NYC that you run into on a regular basis when I assumed your statement about NEVER being a hiker or hunter was factual and "IF you ever were to venture into the wilderness" was an indication that you NEVER had been there prior to this point.

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@parados,

David wrote:

I have never been a hiker nor a hunter.
I bear good will toward the animals,
but if I were so injudicious as to venture into the wilderness,

parados wrote:

How silly of me.

Yea.

parados wrote:

I guess I completely disregarded the plethora of bears roaming the streets of NYC

We don 't have even half a plethora.

parados wrote:

that you run into on a regular basis when I assumed your statement
about NEVER being a hiker or hunter was factual

I did not comment upon my having been a camper nor a fisherman.

parados wrote:

and "IF you ever were to venture into the wilderness" was an indication
that you NEVER had been there prior to this point.

No; that is flawed logic: a non sequitur.
In error, u imply that what I might do in the future
is related to what I have done in the past.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

If you would make an intelligent post David, then we might have a conversation.

You will notice what about that statement? That it has nothing to do with the past?

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@parados,

parados wrote:

If you would make an intelligent post David, then we might have a conversation.

Thank u for that information.

parados wrote:

You will notice what about that statement? That it has nothing to do with the past?

Yes; it addresses potential future conduct, not past.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

You don't get out much do you David? If you did get out more you would realize that "if something occurs" statements imply that "something" has not yet occurred.

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If you do use a gun, you damn well better hit a vital organ - otherwise the bear will just get angry and rip your face off. Yes with a single swipe of a paw bears have been known to rip a face off a person.

I have seen a mom grizzly and her cubs. Fortunately it was from the safety of our car and we did make sure we were a good distance away and did not exit the vehicle. Beautiful animals when you can view them from safety.

And yes bears can be killed effectively with a gun, but you better have the right gun and hit it to kill. I know a bear hunter who has a black bear liscence. It is a dangerous sport.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

You don't get out much do you David?

Too much

parados wrote:

If you did get out more you would realize that
"if something occurs" statements imply that "something" has not yet occurred.

Do u have like OCD for non-sequiturs?
Can 't restrain yourself?

By YOUR reasoning,
if I assert anything about Republicans getting elected into the White House,
then that implies that no Republicans have been elected yet.

David

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The good news is that grizzly bears don't climb trees--the bad news is they live where there are few trees.

I have heard that thing to do when confronted by a grizzly bear is to ball up and pray----shooting one only tends to make them mad.

Rap

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@raprap,

raprap wrote:

I have heard that thing to do when confronted by a grizzly bear
is to ball up and pray----shooting one only tends to make them mad. Rap

As distinct from doing nothing,
as this unfortunate fellow did.
I have a hunch that, in retrospect,
he 'd have ARMED HIMSELF and shot the bear.

A cut down B.A.R. is suitable, for defensive use.
That 'd end the ursine threat.

Pray AFTER u 've killed the bear.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

A friend elk hunts in bear country with a 7mm mag ruger #1. A single shot (he's seen Deer Hunter way too many times). He carries a 44 blackhawk as a holdout. He's never met a grizzly.

Personally these guys may be Darwin award nominees. Salmon fishing in bear country?--Bear are opportunistic climax species, they make their presence known & take food from anything easy. This guy wasn't a target, he just got in the way.

When you go into bear country to salmon fish, put out a lookout, armed with a gun or a whistle. And never sleep around food. And never try to debate a bear, they don't care.

BTW the most dangerous wild animal in North America is the white tail deer. Collisions between white tail and cars kill more people than any other wild animal in any given year.

Rap

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@raprap,

raprap wrote:

A friend elk hunts in bear country with a 7mm mag ruger #1. A single shot (he's seen Deer Hunter way too many times). He carries a 44 blackhawk as a holdout.

In the extremely unlikely event
that I were to venture forth into Grizzly country,
I 'd bring my .44 Magnum SuperBlackhawk, with full Magnum loads,
but I'd be conscious that this armament is borderline acceptable, at best.

For feral animals, one needs shoulder weapons.
Handguns are anti-personnel weapons. Handguns are only auxiliary.
U bring them because u might as well.
Thay 'll do u no good 1OOs of miles away, at home.
Ideally, for ursine defense: I like the Browning Automatic Rifle (cut down).
I think THAT woud do the job.
Even better: stay close to your HDTV in the city,
or enjoy its better restaurants.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I'd feel safer in bear country than the city--the most dangerous feral animal I know walks on two feet---and the best BBQ is usually in the deep dark woods.

BTW Bonnie Parker's favorite weapon was a cut down BAR--only goes so far.

Rap

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

if I assert anything about Republicans getting elected into the White House,
then that implies that no Republicans have been elected yet.

If you assert something about a Republican getting elected to the White House it would mean that Republican has NOT yet been elected to the White House.

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@raprap,

raprap wrote:

I'd feel safer in bear country than the city--the most dangerous feral animal I know
walks on two feet---and the best BBQ is usually in the deep dark woods.

BTW Bonnie Parker's favorite weapon was a cut down BAR

That was Clyde, not Bonnie.
U think she coud have hung on to it ?

raprap wrote:

--only goes so far. Rap

Explain ??????

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@OmSigDAVID,

Bonnie Parker could write her name with a BAR. Size only matters when you carry the ammunition.

The Browning was so advanced when developed early in WWI, the military hierarchy decided not to issue it too the troops that needed a light automatic rifle. Instead they issued the Chauchet to the troops. Good men died because of that decision.

Rap

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@OmSigDAVID,

omsigdavid wrote:

raprap wrote:

--only goes so far. Rap
Explain ??????

It related to riding on two wheels on life's broad highways--'he who has the most lugnuts wins'

A BAR is only really impressive when overwhelming.

Me? My favorite bang stick is a 58 cal black powder muzzle loader. Only 1200fps, but a mini can be anywhere from 175 to 240 gr. But I'm a meat hunter and bear ain't that good to eat and my idea of personal protection is, more or less, fatalism.

Rap

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@raprap,

raprap wrote:

Bonnie Parker could write her name with a BAR.

On fully automatic fire ?

raprap wrote:

Size only matters when you carry the ammunition.

The Browning was so advanced when developed early in WWI,
the military hierarchy decided not to issue it too the troops that
needed a light automatic rifle. Instead they issued the Chauchet
to the troops. Good men died because of that decision.

Rap

What was their rationale ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

If you can handle a Browning Automatic Shotgun you can handle a BAR.

Reverse engineering if it fell into enemy hands--and that damn French POS was available in large numbers.

Rap

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