Science finds Nicotine Enormously Helpful to Humans

hawkeye says:


Strange that you don't realize that this is precisely characteristic of decades of smokers, who never cared what effect their behavior had on ohters who had to suffer through it. Now all of a sudden smokers, called to account for decades of misbehavior, think they're victimized, rather than the people they vicitmized for years.

I was born in 62, and my memory of the smoking days is that only a very tiny minority of non smokers had any problem with smokers. In any crowd there would be a couple of up tight assholes who would complain about smoking, but normally both the smokers and the non smokers told them to STFU.

so in other words you're an asshole who didn't give a **** about your behavior's effect on anyone else, which is one of the reasons the majority doesn't much care if you have to go far away to smoke now.

I was born more than ten years before that, and nobody was telling anyone else to STFU about smoking. Well-mannered people would ask if their companions minded if they smoked--and they'd accept it if told they'd rather not have you smoke. In fact, if anyone complained about tobacco smoke, it was considered good manners to put it out, or go outside. You just make this up as you do along. You are desparate to find topics about which you can whine, and attempt to portray yourself as a lone voice of reason in the madness. It's total bullshit. This thread is a typical example--what makes an appetite suppressant effect "enormously" helpful? That's hyperbole. As usual, you've got a tempest in a tea pot, and you're playing Chicken Little.

That is just how it was, it had nothing to do with me. My own personal view is that I enjoy the smell of tobacco smoke most of the time, the only time it bothered me was if was eating and somebody had a funky tobacco in their pipe....some of those fruity ones annoy me. It has been years since I was a around someone smoking a pipe though....

And now it's your turn to get the STFU, Payback's a bitch, isn't it?

That came later, as the anti smoking forces began to gather strength. Watch Mad Men, how often do you see anyone asking for permission to smoke? Generally only when they are in somebody elses house. If the Ashtray was out even that was dispensed with.


You just enjoy being a hard ass, honesty is expendable towards that effort.

I dont smoke generally, I just support those who do.

Bullshit. Maybe that was true in your white-trash, hill-billy world, but in the world of polite, considerate people, one asked to smoke, and sucked it up and dealt with it if people said no.

Mad Men, now there's proof positive. You're hilarioius.

By the way, clown, i'm not denying that people smoked almost anywhere in public. What i'm denying is that bullshit claim that if anyone complained, they were told to shut the **** up. I doubt if that was true even in your white trash world. You lack a sense of proportion. You will sacrifice the truth to try to bolster your bullshit whines, your latest chicken little performance.

"Supporting smoking" even though you know that the mdical system will be clogged up with many patients with smoking related dseases,is just idiotic thinking.
Hockeye is always interested in showing us how libertarian he is, he always seems to leave the planet at some key junction of logic v dogma. Libertarians dont want to interefere with any idiots right to kill themselves no matter how much society has invested in keeping them healthy (precisely for the tea party reason that its good economics). Hockeye seems to carry this gospel to extremus viewpoints. If everyone who smoked, didnt use their seatbelts, didnt wear a crash helmet on a bike, or didnt remove their lead paint windowsills, was just no longer in the "socialistic" insurance pool, then I guess I could be convinced that libertarians know of what they are talking.

If Hockeye denies the cause and effect relationship of this powerful mutagenic habit, then he is a fool.

I too was born in 1950 and recall how people in polite society didnt light up in anyones car without pwermission granted from the owner. That was in the 1960's I would have been in my teens starting 1963 and Hockeye would have been 1, >So his ability to discern polite societal habits at that age were, Id say, limited at least.

You've hit the nail on the head when you allude to his habit to taking things to an extreme. I'm the same age as you are. I started smoking when Chicken Little here was still shittin' in his short pants. Until ten years ago, i smoked two or more packs of Camel non-filter every day. I guarantee i know this subject as far as anecdotal evidence goes far better than he does. He would have graduated high school circa 1980. Anti-smoking campaigns were well under way by then. It was in 1984 that Koop, the Surgeon General, compared nicotine addiction to cocaine or heroin addiction. Chicken Little's makin' **** up again.

Koop was the one who dared show cancer ridden tissue in his "fireside chats"

raised by wolves, eh?

Lower middle class Mid-Western, who tend not to stand on ceremony, and who at the time believed that the correct thing to do was to give other people a wide berth.