Science finds Nicotine Enormously Helpful to Humans

@hawkeye10,

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Me, the individual rights advocate, coming out in support of the right to smoke....who would have thunk it right Bill

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First you are supporting the right to smoke on bullshit grounds that it aid in reducing weight somehow offset all the harmful and proven beyond question bad effects of smoking.

Yes a lot of drugs help reduce weight that no sane person would care to used for that purpose because of all the harmful effects that go along with them.

So your support of smoking as a right of individuals to do harm to themselves is fine however not on some bullshit ground that smoking or second hand smoking is anything but a proven life shortren.

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@MontereyJack,

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Similarly, your right to puff noxious and toxic crap into the air ends at my nose. If there is no way to avoid breathing the stuff you create,

Judging by the new laws it seems your bunch has decided that you have the right to never see anyone smoking either, as you are almost never going to smell smoke outside. We are now at outlawing smoking in multi unit residences and before long we will see laws outlawing smoking even in your own home. Cig will be technically legal, but actually illegal because there is no where to smoke them.

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@hawkeye10,

There is also the little problem with smoking is that almost no one who take the habit up do so as an adult or near adult.

So we have a many billions dollars drug industry who need to hook minors on their drug or go out of business within a generation or two.

In any case, I have no problem with you smoking Hawkeye except that my regards for you cause me to be somewhat sadden over your very likely shorten lifespan.

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@BillRM,

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There is also the little problem with smoking is that almost no one who take the habit up do so as an adult or near adult.

You could say the same thing about alcohol, and high fat processed food.....are you going to criminalize them as well?

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So we have a many billions dollars drug industry who need to hook minors on their drug or go out of business within a generation or two.

I have seen no evidence that those who start smoking at 21, or 18 are less devoted to smoke than are those who start earlier. Obviously those who sell smokes have an interest in getting people onto their brand as early as possible so that the other brand will not get them, but overall if the industry could keep everyone under age from getting a cig I am sure that they would not mind, so long as they had an equal shot at selling their product on the individuals birthday. But the idea is academic, as such control of individuals is not possible.

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In any case, I have no problem with you smoking Hawkeye except that my regards for you cause me to be somewhat sadden over your very likely shorten lifespan.

Actually I only smoke a cigar now and then, but I do wholeheartedly support those who want to smoke. In return I hope for and expect their support for my being allowed to pursue the vices of my choosing.

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@hawkeye10,

I have no problem with your supporting the rights of adults to smoke I do have a problem with your trying to justify that right as nicotine being enormously helpful to humans as it is not.

Oh just to be clear nicotine all by itself no matter how you get it in your body is harmful.

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@BillRM,

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Oh just to be clear nicotine all by itself no matter how you get it in your body is harmful.

If you get a toxic dose, but then we can say the exact same thing about alcohol, which science has proven in moderation is good for us. Why do you assume that the same thing is not true for nicotine? Can you prove that it is not true?

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@hawkeye10,

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If you get a toxic dose, but then we can say the exact same thing about alcohol, which science has proven in moderation is good for us. Why do you assume that the same thing is not true for nicotine? Can you prove that it is not true?

You are sadly reminding me of Firefly Hawkeye and if you get a pleasure feelings from your brain from the Nicotine dose then it is enough for it to affect your heart and circulatory system along with interfering with your blood sugar insulin balance ETC.

By the way you have a strong position that adults should be allow harmful behaviors so why do you need to try to sell the idea that nicotine is of benefit?

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@BillRM,

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By the way you have a strong position that adults should be allow harmful behaviors so why do you need to try to sell the idea that nicotine is of benefit?

For me the issue is not so much what is good or bad but rather who gets to decide for me that something is good or bad for me, and who gets to tell me what to do. I bring up science showing benefit to nicotine for the reasons already stated, because it supports those who have been saying that they feel smoking has positive value for them, and it proves wrong those who have been claiming that smoking as no positive value thus is suitable for either strong restriction or outlaw.

Is smoking bad or people?? Probably, a year or so ago I linked to a study that showed that a lifetime of smoking 2 packs a day will on average shorten life by a couple of years, but that does not mean that we should be putting strong prohibitions on smoking. I can well imagine running a cost/benefit analysis on smoking and deciding that all of the pleasure and other benefits to smoking make it a good investment of the years on earth given up on average. It is amazing how fast the me generation has forgotten about how many of them once concluded that living hard and dying young is the bast way to live life, how many now want to turn the screws to anyone who does not agree with their current value system that says that prolonging life is worth most any sacrifice, to include choking down crap that tastes nasty rather than delicious food.

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@hawkeye10,

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I bring up science showing benefit to nicotine for the reasons already stated, because it supports those who have been saying that they feel smoking has positive value for them, and it proves wrong those who have been claiming that smoking as no positive value thus is suitable for either strong restriction or outlaw.

Give me a break there is no benefit from smoking that come within a light years of the harm is does to the body and ever since the tobacco companies stop paying off doctors to claim otherwise the issue is not in question.

I have no problem with adults smoking far away from the public air I need to breathe however I would think that it is unmanly/cowardly to smoke and then try to convict yourself it is of benefit to you.

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@MontereyJack,

Totally agree. Smokers stink - their clothing, their houses, their skin (it comes out of their pores). I associate the habit with yellow teeth and bad breath. It has all the romantic charm of stinky farts and bad body odor. I don't even have to get real close to know a smoker has entered a room. I don't care what people do in their own homes, but please keep it away from me anyplace else.

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@Green Witch,

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Totally agree. Smokers stink - their clothing, their houses, their skin (it comes out of their pores). I associate the habit with yellow teeth and bad breath. It has all the romantic charm of stinky farts and bad body odor. I don't even have to get real close to know a smoker has entered a room. I don't care what people do in their own homes, but please keep it away from me anyplace else.

Keep what away, the act of smoking or those who smoke? Your post is not clear.

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@BillRM,

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I have no problem with adults smoking far away from the public air I need to breathe however I would think that it is unmanly/cowardly to smoke and then try to convict yourself it is of benefit to you.

It depends upon how much a person gets pleasure out of smoking, and how much they value pleasure, now doesn't it....

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@hawkeye10,

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It depends upon how much a person gets pleasure out of smoking, and how much they value pleasure, now doesn't it....

The issue was physical good or bad effects not emotional benefits.

Did Firefly take over your body for this thread?

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@BillRM,

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The issue was physical good or bad effects not emotional benefits.

I am Zen, we believe in approaching live as a whole being. You cut between physical and emotional, I dont. Emotional well being benefits to tobacco might very will cancel out the statistical physical harm that smoking causes. And remember that not everyone will suffer those smoking physical negatives, some will die of something totally unrelated to tobacco, and some will smoke all of their lives and live to a very ripe old age.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Your title doesn't match the content of the article, at all. Your analysis following the part you quoted is also inaccurate.

worth repeating

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@hawkeye10,

All kinds of things give pleasure to some people that are harmful to the physical well being of that person.

Cutting, breathing N2O2(a co-worker die in his van on a fast food parking lot leaving two children behind ), cocaine (the man in the vans ex-wife in coming down from a high shot herself leaving a young child behind) and on and on we go.

Millions of people from smoking or from second hand smoking had decades removed from their lives.

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@BillRM,

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Millions of people from smoking or from second hand smoking had decades removed from their lives.

That is a lie, most people who die of smoking causes die very late into their natural life, they tend to lose very little time.

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It would be nice if people would base their replies on facts rather than hysterical opinions. Will smoking give all smokers cancer, the answer is no, do all people who die from cancer smoke, the answer is no, does smoking increase your chances of getting cancer, the answer is yes, is there benefits to smoking, the answer is yes, do other things kill people, obviously yes. Lung Cancer only accounts for 2.4% of deaths world wide, you are 22x more likely to die of hunger or malnutrition, believe it or not traffic accidents cause 2.09% of world wide deaths.

Does the smell of a smoker justify a hate campaign, if so then cooking, perfumes and body odour should also be banned.

Anti-smoking campaigns are dubious and highly questionable and should be looked at as such as 99% of the time they are based on figures which do not exist or that are collected in a very biased manor.

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@hawkeye10,

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That is a lie, most people who die of smoking causes die very late into their natural life, they tend to lose very little time.

I can name four people in my personal life off hands who die in their middle years as a result of smoking.

I am fairly sure I am not the only one who can do so on this thread so that is some lied indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@BDV,

NONSENSE but enjoy that smoke.............

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