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Science finds Nicotine Enormously Helpful to Humans

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 01:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I dont know that Nicotine has any negative effects at low doses (for instance from smoking a pack a day)....are you sure that you do? There are about 70 potentially harmful substances in tobacco smoke, maybe the other 69 do the bad stuff and Nicotine is the positive one .


Yes I think that people should be taking nicitine on the theory that it benefits at any dose level outweight if proven harm. No need for any proved of that thoery as it make you feel better about taking in a poison into your body.

In fact I think that people who wish to get real real thin and healthy should shoot up Heroin as after all there might be a dose level where you can get thin without dying for that drug also.

I am surprise that you need to try to find some bullshit unproven theory to back up the used of tobacco.
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BDV
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 03:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
I quote from a study of the statistics from a review of "Sorry, Wrong Number!: The Abuse of Measurement" BY John Brignell :

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Take anti-smoking statistics. Brignell contends that the oft-used figure of 400,000 premature deaths a year in the United States because of smoking is a "total fabrication". He asserts that the figure depends on 60 per cent of those "premature deaths" occurring in smokers aged over 70, and 17 per cent of them at age 85 and above. Brignell argues that the same data can be used to "prove" that tobacco saves 200,000 lives each year. He also quotes a study from the University of Athens that asserts that Greece has the highest per capita consumption of tobacco in the world but the lowest rate of lung cancer. And Japan, with a high smoking rate, has an average life expectancy of 79.1 years.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 03:46 pm
@BDV,
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Talk to physicians and they'll tell you there are few things you can put in your mouth that are worse for you than a cigarette. But it's not all doom and gloom. Smokers are at least doing their bit to slow down the runaway obesity epidemic that is sweeping through the western world. "In many studies, you often find smokers are slimmer. We've certainly seen it in our studies," says Jodi Flaws at the University of Maryland school of medicine. "Some people think it's due to certain chemicals in cigarettes somehow making them burn more calories, but others believe it suppresses appetite. It may well be both."

Drastically upping your chances of cancer and heart disease might not be the best way to avoid obesity, but it's certainly easier than running round the block.

Scientists have also found evidence that smoking might, in some circumstances, help prevent the onset of various dementias. Many dementias go hand-in-hand with a loss of chemical receptors in the brain that just happen to be stimulated by nicotine. Smoking seems to bolster these receptors, and smokers have more of them. The theory is that smokers may then have more to lose before they start losing their minds. "It does seem that nicotine has a preventative effect, but the problem is that the other stuff in the cigarette tends to rot everything else," says Roger Bullock, a specialist in dementia and director of the Kingshill Research Centre in Swindon. So if your time is nearly up anyway, and you have somehow managed to steer a course past the Scylla and Charybdis of heart attacks and tumours, smoking might just help you retain your marbles

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2003/aug/07/shopping.health
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 03:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Smoking can help boost memory and concentration, say scientists. The discovery offers hope of a nicotine pill that mimics these effects to treat Alzheimer's disease.
Experts are developing drugs that copy the active ingredients in tobacco that stimulate the brain without causing heart disease, cancer, stroke or addiction.
The move follows the discovery that nicotine can boost the intelligence and recall ability of animals in laboratory experiments.
The researchers, who present their latest findings at a brain conference today, hope that the new drugs, which will be available in five years, could have fewer side effects than existing medicines for dementia.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1034701/Smoking-good-memory-concentration.html#ixzz1PC9z36fx
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 03:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
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(Reuters Health) - A new study adds to the previously reported evidence that cigarette smoking protects against Parkinson's disease. Specifically, the new research shows a temporal relationship between smoking and reduced risk of Parkinson's disease. That is, the protective effect wanes after smokers quit.

"It is not our intent to promote smoking as a protective measure against Parkinson's disease," Evan L. Thacker from Harvard School of Public Health emphasized in comments to Reuters Health. "Obviously smoking has a multitude of negative consequences. Rather, we did this study to try to encourage other scientists...to consider the possibility that neuroprotective chemicals may be present in tobacco leaves."

As reported in the March 6th issue of Neurology, Thacker and colleagues analyzed data, including detailed lifetime smoking histories, from 79,977 women and 63,348 men participating in the Cancer Prevention Study II Nutrition Cohort. During about 9 years of follow-up, 413 subjects developed definite or probable Parkinson's disease.

Compared to people who had never smoked and were considered to have "normal" Parkinson's disease risk, former smokers had a 22-percent lower risk of Parkinson's disease and current smokers had a 73-percent lower risk.

"The results were similar for men and women, and were also similar to the results of studies by many other researchers looking at the same topic," Thacker noted.

In former smokers, more years of smoking, fewer years since quitting, more cigarettes per day, and a higher total amount of lifetime smoking were all related to a lower Parkinson's disease risk. The researchers also found that the duration of smoking and the time since quitting influenced risk more than the average daily amount of smoking.

"A 30 percent to 60 percent decreased risk of Parkinson's disease was apparent for smoking as early as 15 to 24 years before symptom onset, but not for smoking 25 or more years before onset," the investigators report.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/03/20/us-smoking-parkinsons-idUSCOL06339920070320
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 03:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
One of the many reasons why the claim of potential years lost to smoking should be ignored is because we have every reason to assume that science has been corrupted, that the benefits to smoking have not been factored in. We really need to go to data which shows when smokers die and when non smokers die and compare the two after other factors are equalized (for instance class and gender)...currently that data is all over the place and is sparse, which tells be that the truth is being hidden.
BDV
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 04:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
what worries me most is the nocebo effect, governments and anti-smoking could be causing deaths by their "Smoking Kills" campaign, including the people posting here in this topic

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Ten years ago, researchers stumbled onto a striking finding: Women who believed that they were prone to heart disease were nearly four times as likely to die as women with similar risk factors who didn't hold such fatalistic views.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A2709-2002Apr29

If that works for "heart disease" then surely it works equally for "smokers" who are plagued with ugly "warnings" on their packets of cigs, TV and every bloody where else they look.

Before someone answers "But i don't like the smell" just remember we may not like your smell, yet we don't complain or give u **** because of your extremely bad body odour and hygiene that you don't seem to detect or notice. (Nocebo effect, u think your smelly then you have a 4x chance of becoming smelly merely by the belief)
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 04:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
nicotine bearing products are cigarettes. Cigarettes have many carcinogenic chemicals that are released during burning. The main carcinogen is TAR not nicotine. Nicotine is used in many medical procedures but is not introduced as a burning stick that the patient is asked to inhale.
Research has conclusively shown that cancer is caused by smoking. There is no doubt . You are certainly free to smoke but go over there to die.Ive seen two close family members succumb to metastisi of lung cancer this year and I dont think I will support your logic .
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 04:28 pm
@farmerman,
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Ive seen two close family members succumb to metastisi of lung cancer this year and I dont think I will support your logic .
Did both of them smoke? Did either regret smoking? Did either support the government action to make smoking difficult and expensive?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 04:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
THey both were heavy smokers . I tried to intervene with one (my BIL) and he just blew me off. He was a PhD chem engineer who also spent time near benzene so (while benzene is not a specific for lung cancer) It doesnt help that he got a double dose on the AMes scale.

The other was my youngest aunt who also smoked. She was a social yenta so her smoking wasnt extensive a habit as was my BIL

Lng cancer is an environmentally induced cancer. Lung irritants like smoking, alpha particles, asbestos, radon (also alpha emitter) are the big three. Coal dust causes black lung and the only reason that coal mining isnt a major cause is because most miners die of black lung first
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 04:46 pm
@farmerman,
Interesting that you ignore all the questions about what they thought, you have made this all about you. They never had a duty to do what you wanted them to do, it was their life.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 07:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
Thats true. Their dying was a terrible inconvenience to my life. Im so glad you are able to see these things with your usual crystalline focus
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 07:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Did either regret smoking
Ill venture a guess that my BIL did just before he went into his coma, my aunt wasnt too bright anyway so I really dont know. She always said I never listened to her, or something like that.



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Did either support the government action to make smoking difficult and expensive?
Yes they were both card carrying Marxists and never doubted that the government knew best for them.

anything else?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 07:21 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Thats true. Their dying was a terrible inconvenience to my life. Im so glad you are able to see these things with your usual crystalline focus
People die, that is life. If your loved ones suffered in the end I would be interested to know if they regretted their choices, if they felt that they had informed consent for their choices, but I am not interested in your objection to their choices and possibly their suffering....it was not your life, their choices where there business only unless the chose to make it yours as well. I have been all over multible threads pointing out that we moderns tend to be arrogant bullies, that we think that we have the right to run other peoples lives. I will confront this abuse every time I find it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 07:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
sounds like youve got some issues that I cant help resolve, bye!
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BDV
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 10:06 pm
really funny story for anti-smoking people, i know a guy who lost a lung too cancer who smoked, yet he lives and still smokes. Now yous can all laugh and pretend yous where right and give him **** cause hes in his 80's. what a bastard he must be to your beliefs. Yous must hate the oldest workin man in the world who happens to smoke and drink everyday of his life, whilw being in his 90's....... BUT oh no, my friend died of a smoking related disease, he smoked and died in an accident in his car while driving it into a wall because of water on the ground that stopped the breaking of his car...... Bloody cigaretttes..... Nevermind all that but according to the anti-smokin lobby smokin will kill 1/5 of people. OMG!!!! did they pull that figure outa their ass????
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:24 am
Until you figure out a way to make your voluntary addiction pleasant to people who don't share it, rather than obnoxious, you're not going to get much support.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:28 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Until you figure out a way to make your voluntary addiction pleasant to people who don't share it, rather than obnoxious, you're not going to get much support.
True, we used to be a lot more tolerant. Kinda sad how moderns run around thinking that they are hot **** because they are SOOOO tolerant, when they are not by historical standards.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:47 am
tell that to African-Americans.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:53 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

tell that to African-Americans.
Progress is eliminating unneeded oppression, changing the subjects of oppression is going sideways. But overall we are less tolerant, we have become extremely narcissistic and self absorbed, which does not lend to playing well with others .
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