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"Too far" does not mean "too fast (too quick)"

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oristarA
 
Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 07:33 am



Actually, " rise too far to the surface" = rise too near to the surface ?

Am I on the right track?

Context:

Giant squid:

It skulks secretively at depths o 1000 or 2000 feet, where it falls prey to sperm whales. Sometime squid rise too far to the surface and die.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 07:39 am
Yes, or too close to the surface.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 07:59 am
@PUNKEY,
agreed
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oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 08:13 am

Well, one of the most distinguished scholars of China has mistranslated the "too far" as "too fast," which from his Chinese translation version to English would mean "the squid rise too quick to the surface and so they die!" Razz
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 03:51 pm
@oristarA,
Not a language question, but it peaked my interest.

Is their death caused by some reaction to changes in pressure?

Does the article describe any reason for this, Ori?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 04:05 pm
@oristarA,
That's a more likely scenario as squid could suffer from their own version of the bends and die from rising to the surface too rapidly.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 04:05 pm
@JTT,
It didn't pique your interest?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 04:08 pm
@JTT,
According to Spongebob the seagulls get 'em.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 04:20 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Not a language question, but it peaked my interest.

Is their death caused by some reaction to changes in pressure?

Does the article describe any reason for this, Ori?


I would guess so, JTT.

The book the scholar translated is THE FACTS ON FILE MARINE SCIENCE HANDBOOK.

It has 258 pages but says no reason for the cause of the death.








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oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 04:22 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

That's a more likely scenario as squid could suffer from their own version of the bends and die from rising to the surface too rapidly.


It's one of the possibilities for the death.

When I just looked at its Chinese translation, I found it stood well. But when looking at its original English text, it is different.

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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 04:24 pm
@ehBeth,
That occurred to me, Beth. That's the puzzle I'm trying to get my head wrapped around. Without compressed air taken at depth, there can be no bends. Sperm whales don't die when they resurface?

Are these deaths just a natural death or is rising or rising too fast actually a cause? I believe I've heard of other deep sea creatures dying, eg, Coelanth [sp??].
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 04:24 pm
@ehBeth,
It did that, Beth. Thanks.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 04:39 pm
@JTT,
I've been googling away on it - there are references to some type of whale dying if they move to the surface too quickly following fish. Not sure what kind of speed that involves.

Then there are other references to squid being "half-dead" if they are found too close to the surface.

Looks like it could go either way (unless we can find a marine biologist who knows this stuff).
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 05:27 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

I've been googling away on it - there are references to some type of whale dying if they move to the surface too quickly following fish. Not sure what kind of speed that involves.

Then there are other references to squid being "half-dead" if they are found too close to the surface.

Looks like it could go either way (unless we can find a marine biologist who knows this stuff).


Able2Know will find one.

Bless.




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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 07:35 pm
@ehBeth,
I've never heard of any occurrence being specifically tagged as a physiological response to deep/shallow/rising too fast, but of course, the oceans are large and there aren't too many necropsies done on animals that die in the ocean.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 10:21 am
@JTT,
Quote:
Not a language question, but it peaked my interest.



It piqued your interest, did it?

EDIT: Er, sorry I'm late with this one.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:06 am
@McTag,
Way late, McTag, not to mention dismal.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:19 am
@JTT,
Actually, responding in a way that might sound a little bit like Oralboy, if it does I apologise. My local University, the University of Southampton has one of the best Oceanography departments in the world, if not the best. You could try emailing them with any squid related queries. Sorry to carp on. Even more sorry for the **** pun.
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