Is capitalism working?

@RexRed,

Bet you a coffee that George dont read any part of this.

@RABEL222,

I read it - with all its many revisions of real history (I particularly liked the fanciful redefinition of socialism with its blatant denial of the real history of its ideas); illogical flights (there was lots of "demand" for cheap food and shelter in the Middle Ages, but that didn't create any abundance of them) ; juvenile distortions of real events (the Henry Ford story was particularly amusing - Ford first figured out how to make a cheap car that could be purchased by many. Later, after he became the dominant manufacturer he introduced higher wages with his $5 dollar day, but he steadfastly opposed labor unions throughout his life.); grammatical errors (too many to count); and overall ill-informed adolescent sophistry.

Keep it up. You will only isolate and limit yourselves by consuming this self-serving, inaccurate and misleading crap.

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Inside Job (How the banks ripped us off)

http://vimeo.com/25142692

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GOP poised to raised taxes on the middle class

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45470695#45470695

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Lately every time I hear that wall street has had a surge in the markets I think to myself... Big deal, the rich are getting richer... I don't own any stock... Is this the right attitude to have and why so or why not?

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Voters care about the minimum wage

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#47081224

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Does capitalism work? Is the American dream still real and alive or have monopolies and banks absconded with this dream and replaced it with a huge middle class desert wasteland of false hopes and illusions. A mirage that drives you on thinking that you can succeed? Thinking that you can win when winning is patented already. One might say well you can come up with a novel idea and still make it but even that needs backing and support. Who is chosen to bring these new ideas which are not always new but just better funded.

Like someone who is attending Harvard who comes up with an idea and gets rich. Well consider it is usually money and prestige that put them in Harvard in the first place. Valuable ideas are sold cheap and in the end it is the least deserving that succeed. Is capitalism served, or instead some shady, ulterior system of commerce?

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@H2O MAN,

When an uninsured person walks into an emergency room needing help, who is spending other people's money? When the government legislates that hospitals have to take on debt that they don't want to own or buy, is that not a government mandate? If the uninsured were left to die outside of hospitals I wonder how fast it would be before people voluntarily insured themselves? Talk about welfare states... So the conservatives are against entitlement programs where our healthcare systems is one big entitlement program and becoming overpriced for even the average person. Because the debt of the freeloaders is averaged into basic premiums of those who faithfully pay... This also lowers the overall quality of healthcare that is afforded to the devoutly insured...

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@RexRed,

I know your hearts in the right place, but to call someone who does not pay for medical treatment a freeloader is shocking.

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@izzythepush,

If they have the cash to pay, what would you call them?

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@RABEL222,

Universal Health Care is a fundamental right, poor people shouldn't be penalised. We pay for our Health Care through the tax system, as we do our schools. It's no different.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Universal Health Care is a fundamental right,
poor people shouldn't be penalised.

Really?? So if Universal Health Care does not exist
( as it has not for most of the histories of both of our countries ),
then someone who needs health care has his rights VIOLATED??

By that reasoning, is he entitled to rob his nabor of his watch or his wallet,
or his car to sell it to finance his medical expenses?????

I don 't think so, Izzy.

Will u reveal the SOURCE of that alleged right???

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I don't advocate theft, I advocate freedom and that includes respecting fundamental human rights such as Universal Health Care. Freedom isn't something that should just be given to the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I don't advocate theft,

That 's a relief.

izzythepush wrote:

I advocate freedom

Freedom from what??

izzythepush wrote:

and that includes respecting fundamental human rights such as Universal Health Care.

I request, again, that u reveal the SOURCE of that alleged right,
in order to prove its existence??
I suspect that because that right does NOT really exist,
u will not be able to indicate where it came from,
the same as if I alleged that I have a right
to have u give me a cherry pie on alternate Tuesdays.

izzythepush wrote:

Freedom isn't something that should just be given to the Wealthy

Well, the wealthy have freedom from poverty and from Middle-Class status.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

There's plenty of sources, the Communist Manifesto for one. Then there's the constitution of the Labour Party.

Freedom from fear is the greatest freedom ever, falling ill is frightening enough without being bankrupted by it.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

There's plenty of sources, the Communist Manifesto for one.

The bible of evil. Does it have any greater effect than "Mein Kampf" ?
Does anyone get RIGHTS from either book?? If so: HOW??
If I give u 1OO pounds of sterling silver, as per our agreement,
in exchange for cherry pies due to be supplied to me from u
on alternate Tuesnites, the source of my rights in this matter is that contract.
HOW can a book of marx's opinions give anyone rights??

izzythepush wrote:

Then there's the constitution of the Labour Party.

OK; suppose that I begin a political party
and I create a constitution for it, by whose terms
u must clean my house 3 times a week for a dollar,
does that mean that I have the RIGHT to extort this labor from u ?

I don t think it does.

izzythepush wrote:

Freedom from fear is the greatest freedom ever,
falling ill is frightening enough without being bankrupted by it.

Each person can choose his own emotions, be thay fear,
or anything else (envy, anger, joy),
but no man 's selection of an emotion
can subject any other man to duties, as a consequence.
For instance, no one has a duty to pay for your medical expenses because of your state-of-mind.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

David, we're not going to agree on this. However, my belief that Universal Health Care is a fundamental right is fairly mainstream over here.

If you need to use highly emotive terms like good and evil, you've lost the argument. You may not agree with the political resdistribution of wealth in the mistaken belief that it discourages enterprise and promotes fecklessness, but that does not make it evil. I could easily say the same thing about some of your core beliefs.

When the very rich were aristocrats many people of your persuasion didn't see any harm in rebelling against them. Now the very rich are industrialists and bankers, I don't think they're a lot different from the aristocrats of yesteryear. The solution is the same.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I do have a cherry tree in my garden, and have made some delicious pies, and I'm about to bottle some cherry wine. I think getting a pie through customs would be problematic.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

David, we're not going to agree on this.

I engage u in the spirit of an intellectual wrestling match, because it is fun, playing with logic.
I 'd be surprized if u told me that I had convinced u.

izzythepush wrote:

However, my belief that Universal Health Care is a fundamental right is fairly mainstream over here.

Have popular beliefs ever been disproven ??
( e.g.: the world is round )

izzythepush wrote:

If you need to use highly emotive terms like good and evil, you've lost the argument. You may not agree with the political resdistribution of wealth in the mistaken belief that it discourages enterprise and promotes fecklessness, but that does not make it evil.

Robbery is evil,
regardless of whether it is perpetrated by a government.

izzythepush wrote:

I could easily say the same thing about some of your core beliefs.

When the very rich were aristocrats many people of your persuasion didn't see any harm in rebelling against them. Now the very rich are industrialists and bankers, I don't think they're a lot different from the aristocrats of yesteryear. The solution is the same.

Laissez faire capitalism is a combination of honesty
and recognition of the economic laws of nature.

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