If a man claims to be Jesus today, how can you tell if it is true or false?

To answer the original question:

Easy...bring him into a room, and if his eyes follow you wherever you go...Bingo, he's the real deal.

If you can't get him into a room then you can be reasonably sure he's The Savior if he looks a lot like Jeffery Hunter.

it was meant for us to have trust without reservation in God


How, o!, do you know this?

Did god explain it to you in person?


as a matter of fact in my perceptions, yes God has explained this to me and has shown me the truth is Jesus. Now, I don't need to see miracles to believe...but rather believing is seeing to me...yet still from time to time I see miracles all the time. perhaps, for you and all others who say they need to actually witness a miracle to believe the miracle in itself is God saying flat out that evil generations will seek after a sign. and if you take the leap of faith and start believing maybe then your eyes will be opened to miracles. if you cant even handle the concept of Gods existince how then can you handle or except things of greater magnitude. plus again if God were to reveal himself to you this very instant would you confess there is a God and all he said was True or would you try to find another psudominded way of describing it and outright rejecting it yet again?

You can't know for sure. That's why they call it faith.

correct. that is what I am trying to stress to Atheist in other topics, there is no real way to sum up faith. one with faith will know Jesus and one without will be tested in a way for Their sake to be shown the way and either then they accept or they reject. and the Choice is up to each individual. if and when you do and are finially encompassed in the Holy one you will know it is He that is the only way I can describe it. to say such a thing could never exhist truly isn't being enlightened it is only valuing one perspective of human life that is the earthly aspect...and the more important one in Gods eyes and should be in an ones eyes because God says so is the spiritual one.

Everything is a miracle... Life on earth is a miracle, and the earth itself as a place life can exist... Everything that happens that we appreciate but cannot explain is a miracle...The existence of a miracle does not prove the existence of an agent, a miracle worker...

If you consider the times in which Jesus lived, after Alexander and the Maccabees, after the Romans had come to roost, amid the injustice of the elite riligious class, there was plenty of reason for psychosomatic illness and just as great a reason for successful faith healing... Primitive peoples suffering great change and invasion have great need of their shamen, as if all quasi socialist, insurlar communities do not suffer their jealousies, and avarice that can neither be expressed nor amiliorated until they fester... Even the most united societies often need their peacemakers, so why not one robbed and humiliated???

Hey, I've seen so many of those during my lifetime, I had difficulty picking the right one! I gave up, and became an atheist. The chicken's way out.

Best post of this thread.

Evidence in plenty, and proof unnecessary... The less possible it is to accept a thing on evidence the more certainly it call for a leap of faith... That Jesus existed has evidence even among the Jews... That Jesus was God was not much asserted by him, but that God was all, and beyond our understanding...

Oh? The only place Jesus is mentioned is in the New Testament, and that's the only "book" that Jesus is even mentioned. All those New Testament chapters were written over one hundred years after the mythological "time of christ."

If all those miracles actually happened, there would have been more recorded history for them; at some miracles, there were thousands. Wasn't the bread and fishes one of them? Why no other record?

Proof? What proof? Faith.

There are other gospels that were not included in the New Testament. Gospels according to Timothy and Mary Magdalen were supposedly contemporary, as opposed to Matthew Mark and Luke which were 4th or 5th hand versions of what was supposed to happen.

What went into the New Testament was what fitted in with the Emperor Constantine's view of what should constitute a state religion. The last state religion worshipping Sol Invictus (Born December 25th) wasn't working out

I've just got this off Wikipedia

In the Annals of the Roman historian Tacitus (ca 56 A.D. - ca 117 A.D.), in book 15, chapter 44, written ca. 116 A.D., there is a passage which refers to Christ, to Pontius Pilate, and to mass executions of the Christians.

56 AD? And how many people in this world remembers what happened a half century ago to record an event(s) in detail at a time when most didn't know how to read or write? That's about the same period when the new testament was written, so most were recorded through hear say.

I was just responding to your question about Jesus being in sources other than the New Testament. I'm not making claims about these things being anything other than that. Anyway I'm sure I saw Jesus on Family Guy last night.

I trust your first hand viewing of the guy called Jesus.

True; there are other writings about Jesus other than in the bible, but we also know that many of the books written were never included as part of the bible, and most were written during that same period.

I never saw him or dreamed about him, but did see thousands of paintings. Even saw the Last Supper in Milano.

BTW, I did meet some guys named Jesus; I think they were Mexican.

Something else just dawned on me. We have a lot of programmes about the Battle of Britain. Those old spitfire pilots a re talking about stuff that happened 70 years ago and there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with their memory.

One of the main problems with this sort of thing is that if you go looking for something you'll find it. If you're looking for historical records and gospels to prove that Jesus was a myth that's what you'll find. Similarly if you're looking at the same records to prove Jesus was real you'll find that as well.

There is also The Gospel according to Thomas which may or may not have been left out ( as to what my faith tell me on that matter I will keep to myself) where as it depicts a totally different perspective on Jesus. Where he states things such as it is better for men to go to church but not a nessity for I am God I am under a rock I am behind a tree I am everywhere etc. but in any event whether it was or wasn't left out people today claim it was because the church back then read this and was worried it would fall. if that is the case just another pure example of Humans always have and always will fall short of God. and if this Gospel is true it shows their lack of faith not much after the death of Jesus...and rest assure if it is meant to be in the Bible then as stated in the Book of Revelation it will be reinstated by the hand of God at some point...and I agree with what someone earlier stated...it all depends on your faith (trust withOUT reservation) if you are looking for Jesus he isn't hard to find at all...and if you are looking for reasons to prove he never existed...if he is all forgiving (in which I believe so) then chances are God is not going to smite you instintaniously if EVER...( For you can teach a horse to walk to the river everyday but you can NEVER teach the horse to drink the water) which in a sense is saying you can Only go so far as to show people the way...then the leap of faith begins with the conscience dicision as to disregard or accept.

The Jews mention Jesus, though hardly in kind terms, and the Gnostic Bible, but most of all is the word of mouth that carried him through the period before writing about him seemed necessary... Consider that unlike modern Christians, Jesus only revealed his truth to a few, and he instrcted them to cast not their pearls before swine... We see what has become of Christ once delivered to worthless people... He long ago ceased to be their master and is now everyone's slave... They all use him as they see fit and trash him like a common prostitute... The real proof that Jesus has no power is the many people using his name in complete vanity, trading his wisdom which was great, as a mere talking point...Jesus disassembled Judaism, Paul built new in its place, and Luther (among others) reassembled Judaism out of the discarded pieces and the Gospels... We have come a long way to end up with the same pointless form that Jesus filled out before...

It was not as though he gave them candy, and they still remembered him... As formal and demanding as Judaism is with all its laws and obligations, Christianity is not less so, but more so, because if one accepts that psychological relationship with God offered by Jesus, then it is totally open ended... There are no limits set on it as with Judaism, or Protestantism... Giving unto God that which is God's mean giving absolutely all... How could anyone follow such a prophet???

because if one accepts that psychological relationship with God offered by Jesus, then it is totally open ended... how is this so?

Second most important commandment: Love EVERYone as you love youself treat others as you would want to be treated? (self explanitory to me)

Most Important: Love God above all things (again self explanitory)

then the deeper you go into the religion the more you are held accountable to follow because you know right from wrong...you have no excuse. And it stated one who doesn't believe then does and only to end up falling in the end and be entangled is worse off then they were in the beginning. a true wolf in sheeps clothing...how is this open ended? these should be the starting point for ANY Christian and the baby steps we take to enrich ourselves with more knowledge...it is not the other way around where Any (human beings) is born with all knowledge...and again not a contradiction because Jesus was more than a man...

There are no limits set on it as with Judaism, or Protestantism... Giving unto God that which is God's mean giving absolutely all... How could anyone follow such a prophet???


Why must there be limits, in order to have fullfillment...when one is completey pure and one with God there are NO limits


I think your reasoning is almost a Taoist or Balanced out philosophy belief...if you are going to do that and question Jesus. I tell you doubt EVRYTHING evil you have every read in the Bible if you must doubt something. but never deny the blessings due to doubt...The blessing and good will always triumphe evil...even if you don't agree with Christian Scripture...Love and Goodness will always win and defeat any evil...buttomline