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Rise = apperance or increase?

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oristarA
 
Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 07:21 am
In 1997, a Japanese professor has found a superbug from a kid resistent to the most powerful antibiotics vancomycin. So I guess the "rise" here refers to "increase". Am I on the right track?

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Scientists have issued a stark warning over the rise of new superbugs resistant to the most powerful antibiotics.Less than a handful of antibiotics are currently in the pipeline to combat antibiotic resistant bacteria with the worldwide spread of genes resistant to last resort antibiotics a 'nightmare scenario', the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 07:26 am
increase in the number of superbugs resistant
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 07:35 am
@PUNKEY,
PUNKEY wrote:

increase in the number of superbugs resistant


Thank you.

But I will wait more answers.

BTW, "increase in the number of superbugs resistant " is not grammatically correct.
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 10:37 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

But I will wait more answers.

BTW, "increase in the number of superbugs resistant " is not grammatically correct.


Here is another answer which agrees with Punkey's. Punkey wrote "superbugs resistant" which is the first part of the (grammatically correct) phrase "superbugs resistant to the most powerful antibiotics" which is in the text you quoted. Maybe you would have understood better if he had finished it with an ellipsis.



JTT
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 01:55 pm
@oristarA,
Quote:
In 1997, a Japanese professor has found a superbug from a kid resistent to the most powerful antibiotics vancomycin.


Ori, we don't normally use the present perfect, 'has found', with a clear past time adverbial, 'in 1997'. In fact it's quite rare.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 03:13 pm
@oristarA,

Quote:
BTW, "increase in the number of superbugs resistant " is not grammatically correct.


Really?
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 06:41 pm
@JTT,
Thank you for reminding of that.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 06:42 pm
@contrex,
I see.
Thank you.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 06:44 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
BTW, "increase in the number of superbugs resistant " is not grammatically correct.


Really?


It might be correct in old-fashioned English, and of course, also correct in cyberspace if stressing the convenience of inputting.

ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 06:45 pm
@oristarA,
Punkey was correct.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 10:29 pm
@oristarA,
Quote:
BTW, "increase in the number of superbugs resistant " is not grammatically correct.


Sure it is, Ori.

"increase in the number of superbugs [that are] resistant to ..."
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 04:24 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
BTW, "increase in the number of superbugs resistant " is not grammatically correct.


Sure it is, Ori.

"increase in the number of superbugs [that are] resistant to ..."


Maybe it refers to "increase in the NUMBER and VARIETY of superbugs resistant to..." I wonder?
dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 04:39 am
Quote:
Scientists have issued a stark warning over the rise of new superbugs resistant to the most powerful antibiotics.


rise = increase in the number of cases found.
superbugS indicates several strains not just one strain.

If only one strain were being indicated the sentence would read...

... issued a stark warning over the rise of a new superbug resistant to the most powerful antibiotics,
note singular form of "superbug"
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 04:52 am
@dadpad,
dadpad wrote:

Quote:
Scientists have issued a stark warning over the rise of new superbugs resistant to the most powerful antibiotics.


rise = increase in the number of cases found.
superbugS indicates several strains not just one strain.

If only one strain were being indicated the sentence would read...

... issued a stark warning over the rise of a new superbug resistant to the most powerful antibiotics,
note singular form of "superbug"


Oh God, the meaning of the original word "rise" is so VAGUE.

It means the rise of the case number, not of superbug strain or variety.

Thank you.



dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 05:47 am
@oristarA,
I apologise for not being able to explain this better.

New ideas sometimes take time to mould themselves in our minds.
That is not a criticism of you or your efforts. I am astounded at your ability with the English language.

You had it right in your first post:
Quote:
So I guess the "rise" here refers to "increase". Am I on the right track?


Some examples of the use of "rise".
The rise of China as a world superpower (increased political and marketing power).

Cakes and bread rise when they are baked (increased volume of dough)

we walked up a small rise (hill) (increase in ground height)

A drop in vaccinations has seen a rise in whooping cough diagnosis' increase in number of cases diagnosed)
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 09:28 am
@oristarA,
Quote:
Maybe it refers to "increase in the NUMBER and VARIETY of superbugs resistant to..." I wonder?[/quote

That would be sensible for if it was just one variety of superbug, there wouldn't be anywhere near the concern there presently is.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:09 pm
Thank you both.
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